Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[scumdog]

I have a fair few mates like so and have met many.
You're telling me that no-one ends up becoming slower and less sharp under heavy usage?
If that is so, the lot I know are all shit and on other drugs (many of them aren't drinkers) because a few were once very intelligent, now they're mere fools.
On the flip side, I have many mates who smoke a lot and have no noticeable drop in intelligence or even motivation.

I'm merely suggesting that people can become slower and less active if they smoke a lot of pot.
I know that can be said for many other drugs, legal or not, but that's not the point here.

Kind of sums up my experience.

Of course a fair few of the subjects ain't exactly 'mates' but it is still the same picture regardless. (although it is possible that I run across more examples of the drug-fucked variety than the average person will)

And I see piss equally affecting a certain sector of society.

[jonbuoy]

I stopped smoking in my mid 20's, had paranoia, bad short term memory problems and was dependent on it for sleep. I only drink now worst I suffer from is now is the occaisonal bad hangover purely physical.

Would anyone be happy to fly with a pilot who smokes heavily?

[mashman]

I stopped smoking in my mid 20's, had paranoia, bad short term memory problems and was dependent on it for sleep. I only drink now worst I suffer from is now is the occaisonal bad hangover purely physical.

Would anyone be happy to fly with a pilot who smokes heavily?

I've been in cars with people in much worse conditions than being stoned... so probably wouldn't have too much of a problem with a stoned pilot... depending on how stoned he was.

[Kickaha]

Plenty of Kiwis fucked up on alcohol, far more than weed.

Plenty of Kiwis are just plain fucked up without either of those two

[SMOKEU]

Would anyone be happy to fly with a pilot who smokes heavily?

Yup. I know people who don't smoke weed but they are absolutely terrible drivers. So bad that I'm afraid to get in a car with them because they txt heaps while driving, and they are so distracted from conversation and other things that they run red lights, swerve all over the road, cut corners and end up on the wrong side of the road, drive right through stop signs without even realising.

Yet I also know people who drive stoned quite often and they are very safe drivers.

[Madness]

I stopped smoking in my mid 20's, had paranoia, bad short term memory problems and was dependent on it for sleep. I only drink now worst I suffer from is now is the occaisonal bad hangover purely physical.

Would anyone be happy to fly with a pilot who smokes heavily?

Smoking pot & drinking piss affects people in different ways. An old mate of mine (stabbed to death by a drunk) had a girlfriend who could drink most blokes under the table. One puff of a J though and it was Goodnight Kiwi(tm). If Cannabis was having the effects that you describe I'm happy for you that you've stopped using it. I don't drink. I've never mastered the art of it & rarely have an enjoyable experience with the stuff. I hold down a position of some responsibility and am no burden on the taxpayer. I pay taxes & full >600cc bike rego . Despite all of this, I am a criminal under our current laws because I smoke my drug of choice rather than drink it.

BTW, if I knew the heavy smoking pilot I probably would fly with them. Lets face it, so long as they've been flying stoned for any prolonged period of time they must be doing okay, Hmmm?

[Usarka]

It'd be fine, the pilot would just fly really slow.....

[haydes55]

It'd be fine, the pilot would just fly really slow.....

It's my understanding when a plane goes slow, it stops "flying" and starts "falling"...

[SMOKEU]

It'd be fine, the pilot would just fly really slow.....

It's my understanding when a plane goes slow, it stops "flying" and starts "falling"...

All this shit here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds would be pretty buzzy to take note of after a good sesh.

[puddytat]

Here's the way I see it, for myself that is. I'm a regular smoker, have been for 20yrs now. I hold down a good job, I pay my bills and have a little left over for toys etc. I come home from work, greet the fiancé who beats me home from work and has dinner on and I have a little smoke with my bong. We discuss each others day and then enjoy a good meal. A little while after dinner I'll have another quick smoke, maybe watch something I want to watch, do some work around the house, maybe some time working on the bike or reading a book. I'll have another smoke around 10:30'ish after she has gone to bed and spend some time on the 'net or out in the garage. I'll then be off to bed around 1:30-2:00am. Every night. If I was to replace getting high with getting drunk none of that would be achieved.

We like to get over to Melbourne once or twice a year, for up to 10 days at a time. Of course during that period I have nothing to smoke, and it doesn't concern me, I'm on holiday from my normal routine. So I can't be addicted. Yet if I were to do the same with alcohol I dare say I'd still be drinking every night.

So weed works for me. Some my ask why I smoke it at all if it's not an addiction (which it isn't, when I say every night there are some nights that don't follow that routine and it never concerns me). I enjoy the feeling, it relaxes me (especially from my pain) and believe it or not it motivates me, both physically and mentally. My memory is fine, I get comments all the time about how I remember even the finest details from deals I did months ago, to other workmates deals, to all sorts of obscure shit. I exercise when I'm high, I socialise, I can exist with or without it.

Yes there are certainly those that shouldn't be on it, and there are those that it does no favours for. I don't advocate it for anyone else, it's a personal decision and one that I respect. I'm discreet with it so criminal prosecution doesn't concern me, and if I was to be 'raided' I'm afraid they'd be wasting their time. But I do not believe I should be fined or convicted for smoking peacefully in my home when there are problems within society, problems that beat up children and partners, rape and murder, problems that stem from a legal drug, happening every minute of every day in this country. More people in NZ use this drug, it's a killer, proven killer, known killer, and our politicians get it at an even better rate than you can.

And thats more or less the same way for me & I would say most of my friends....it seems to be the people who would have an abuse problem with any drug, that give drugs a bad name. One thing I must say is that in my opinion I can have a much more fulfilling debate with a stoned person than with a drunk or your averge "Straight".And alot of smokers dont actually act stoned when they are. They just seem simply more open minded on most subjects, often have more interest in international news & events, can get thier heads around radical concepts better & arnt stuck in the Dogma of their parents.

[mashman]

Just watchin those adds on TV... the one where the driver is stoned and the chick in the back starts freaking out. Every time he asks them if they've got any food I burst into laughter. I wonder why the time keeps changing on the video... anyhoo those ads do nothing for me other than make me laugh.

[jonbuoy]

Smoking pot & drinking piss affects people in different ways. An old mate of mine (stabbed to death by a drunk) had a girlfriend who could drink most blokes under the table. One puff of a J though and it was Goodnight Kiwi(tm). If Cannabis was having the effects that you describe I'm happy for you that you've stopped using it. I don't drink. I've never mastered the art of it & rarely have an enjoyable experience with the stuff. I hold down a position of some responsibility and am no burden on the taxpayer. I pay taxes & full >600cc bike rego . Despite all of this, I am a criminal under our current laws because I smoke my drug of choice rather than drink it.

BTW, if I knew the heavy smoking pilot I probably would fly with them. Lets face it, so long as they've been flying stoned for any prolonged period of time they must be doing okay, Hmmm?

Thats a bit like saying I drive drunk all the time never had an accident so I must be able to handle it. I would not knowingly fly with a pilot who smoked heavily. From my personal experience the after effects of cannabis lasted a lot longer than alcohol, for me that cotton wool head feeling lasted days after a smoke. The only time I´ve ever felt the same wooliness is after a REALLY heavy night on the piss which is very rare these days.

[mashman]

And thats more or less the same way for me & I would say most of my friends....it seems to be the people who would have an abuse problem with any drug, that give drugs a bad name.

True... and cannabis can't kill them... which could be seen as a bit of a shame in ways

[ducatilover]

Never said it was a small issue, in fact it's a big issue. If you hold mental illness in such high regard, and know there is a risk of mental illness from youths smoking marijuana, why don't you support legalisation and age restrictions? Legalisation will drop the amount of marijuana available to youths, there is no doubt about that. There is no proof of mental illness from adults smoking it so again no reason for it not to be legalised.

If it was enforced like Scissorhands then yes, the legal weed would be hard for youths to get. Good.

What about the current illegal stuff? Untaxed weed is going to be nice and cheap. If I was buying again and under age, I could get it.
Legalising it won't drop the amount of problems regarding health (which we have established isn't really much of a dent on the health system anyway), what it would do, that I fully support is potentially kill a huge illegal market and crime organisations (lol gangs) will lose out.

okay so slow and less active = fucked up on weed

No examples eh? FAIL

Plenty of Kiwis fucked up on alcohol, far more than weed.

3 monthly checks$$$ with your cannabis prescribing doctor to see if your fucking out.... shame they are not even bothering with booze, tobacco or bad diet though????

Would you like to come meet them?
I understand you're pro weed and seem to think I'm anti weed, all I'm doing is attempting to get a rational argument (which you provide) as there aren't enough pro-weed people who can do it to see it become legal IMHO



I have to agree with alcohol, I'd understand if that (or tobacco) was made illegal, they both cause problems, not fix them. I wouldn't argue about not having either if it was a legality issue.

[Madness]

Thats a bit like saying I drive drunk all the time never had an accident so I must be able to handle it. I would not knowingly fly with a pilot who smoked heavily. From my personal experience the after effects of cannabis lasted a lot longer than alcohol, for me that cotton wool head feeling lasted days after a smoke. The only time I´ve ever felt the same wooliness is after a REALLY heavy night on the piss which is very rare these days.

Yeah, nah. I would fly with a pilot who I knew was stoned but knew he could handle it yet I would be extremely wary of being driven by anyone who has had more than say 3 cans of beer. From my personal experience I'd say that you are particularly over-sensitive to THC and I wouldn't fly with someone like you who is stoned. Nothing personal.