Will LAMS kill the 250 bike market?

[DrunkenMistake]

to answer the second question of 'is a 250 better to learn on' - depends. often I think not. LAMS will give you a few more options of fullsize bikes that are a bit more versatile to learn on. I would rather see a learner on a GT650 doing a dunedin to chch ride than on a GN250, Virago 250 etc etc.

I agree on this part, I have found riding a larger capacity bike more comfortable and alot more of a confident boost on highway riding even just in amongst traffic, When I had my 250, I done a trip to Blenheim and back, With a speedo error.. I made really good time, Bit overtaking was slow and difficult, and riding on a bike that size for that length of time started getting painful 90% of they way through,
Im yet to do a trip of that size on a larger bike, But I done a 300km trip on my 400 and I did get sore wrists but that seems to be common with the VFR's Iv only done a 200km trip in one go on the 650, and both bikes even on the smaller trips have been alot nicer to be on for a long period, made it a much more enjoyable trip, and I guess over taking isnt nessocery and opening the throttle isnt everyones cup of Tea,

Even if those two bikes were restricted as such, they would still be more comfortable and confident building, this is my opinion mind you having done 80% of my bike licenses on a 250cc + bike, Cruisers might be an entirely different story im not sure I have only ridden sports bikes.

[davereid]

As usual ... proof of innocence is required ... not of guilt. The burdon of proof of such, is on us ...

I agree. But if the "experts" at the NZTA have said your EX650 is OK as its on the aussie LAMS list, and its got LAMS written on the licence label, then you will have a pretty good defence. The principle of mens rea will prevail.

[Sable]

I personally am very much looking forward to picking up a cheap RGV250 :3

[riffer]

I personally am very much looking forward to picking up a cheap RGV250 :3

Good luck finding a non thrashed one though.

edit: I take it back. This one's going for $2500. I wonder what they'll go for next summer?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-443449550.htm

I wonder if the price for these will drop?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442960104.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442375045.htm

[ICE180]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-443449550.htm

I wonder if the price for these will drop?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442960104.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442375045.htm

most learners would shit themself on these

crips I almost would as they are so light and grunty and being a 2T
no engine braking which would throw most people on the frist corner they approch

[GrayWolf]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-443449550.htm

I wonder if the price for these will drop?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442960104.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-442375045.htm

most learners would shit themself on these

crips I almost would as they are so light and grunty and being a 2T
no engine braking which would throw most people on the frist corner they approch

Really most bikes these days have far less engine braking than the bikes of yore.. it's the trade off for high revs and performance; lighter reciprocating parts, ultra short stroke etc.
For comparison, try riding a ZX14, or even my ZZR1100, and then ride an original Z1 900, or ride an FJR or XJR and compare it to many modern sprot bikes.... the old style ones have far better engine braking. You soon get used to what is available from an individual bike, its the 'knife edge' performance of sprot bikes that is really the 'dangerous' aspect of ownership in inexperienced hands.

[baffa]

I agree on this part, I have found riding a larger capacity bike more comfortable and alot more of a confident boost on highway riding even just in amongst traffic, When I had my 250, I done a trip to Blenheim and back, With a speedo error.. I made really good time, Bit overtaking was slow and difficult, and riding on a bike that size for that length of time started getting painful 90% of they way through,
Im yet to do a trip of that size on a larger bike, But I done a 300km trip on my 400 and I did get sore wrists but that seems to be common with the VFR's Iv only done a 200km trip in one go on the 650, and both bikes even on the smaller trips have been alot nicer to be on for a long period, made it a much more enjoyable trip, and I guess over taking isnt nessocery and opening the throttle isnt everyones cup of Tea,

Even if those two bikes were restricted as such, they would still be more comfortable and confident building, this is my opinion mind you having done 80% of my bike licenses on a 250cc + bike, Cruisers might be an entirely different story im not sure I have only ridden sports bikes.

I think it more comes down to the bike itself. A small bike that doesnt make any power until 10,000 rpm is going to suck on the open road, but something that has a little torque like a vtwin is fine, Ive done plenty of long rides on a 250vtr and not had an issue.

I do agree though, regardless of how tiring the ride is, it seems more mentally taxing on a smaller bike, you have more to worry about.

[nodrog:Me]

Whens does this lams thing take effect? and is there a link to the approved motorcycles?

the search button is broken.

[sleemanj]

Whens does this lams thing take effect? and is there a link to the approved motorcycles?

the search button is broken.

1st of October

There is no list yet, but the Vicroads list is widely spoken to be a good starting place.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...viceriders.htm

[MSTRS:Me]

To all those getting excited about GS750s and MT-01s etc...sorry. Somewhere in the waffle from NZTA is an announcement that 660cc will be the upper limit for engine capacity. There may have been talk of exceptions to that for some HDs...883 Sportie for instance.

[GrayWolf]

I agree on this part, I have found riding a larger capacity bike more comfortable and alot more of a confident boost on highway riding even just in amongst traffic, When I had my 250, I done a trip to Blenheim and back, With a speedo error.. I made really good time, Bit overtaking was slow and difficult, and riding on a bike that size for that length of time started getting painful 90% of they way through,
Im yet to do a trip of that size on a larger bike, But I done a 300km trip on my 400 and I did get sore wrists but that seems to be common with the VFR's Iv only done a 200km trip in one go on the 650, and both bikes even on the smaller trips have been alot nicer to be on for a long period, made it a much more enjoyable trip, and I guess over taking isnt nessocery and opening the throttle isnt everyones cup of Tea,

Even if those two bikes were restricted as such, they would still be more comfortable and confident building, this is my opinion mind you having done 80% of my bike licenses on a 250cc + bike, Cruisers might be an entirely different story im not sure I have only ridden sports bikes.

That really comes under the 'horses for courses' heading...
I can think of several 600cc plus machines I would not even want to travel 10km's on by choice. Some 250's are disgustingly small and cramped. Althought the Hyo 250 is a 'big one' it's still a 'crouched riding position'... An older ZZR/GPX 250 are far more upright. I gather also the VT had some difference in riding position? Xelvis etc seem to have a slightly mnore upright position, or is that just an optical illusion?
My ZZR has bar risers, and I would not be happy leaning any further forwards that that. You can alter most bikes riding positions to some degree.

[ducatilover]

If the 250 market dies, I'm going to be a happy man.
If the fun 250s get cheaper, so do the 400s.
I hope.
In my mind I'm going to have a garage full of 90's jap screamers I can beat the shit out of and not get big speeding tickets...

[tigertim20]

If the 250 market dies, I'm going to be a happy man.
If the fun 250s get cheaper, so do the 400s.
I hope.
In my mind I'm going to have a garage full of 90's jap screamers I can beat the shit out of and not get big speeding tickets...

I doubt it, VFR400s will probably go up, theyre a race replica, bigger than the 250s, within the lams (I think)
Will be interesting though. I wonder if it will hurt the 2 stroke market? - I think it will hurt it a bit, the learners arent allowed them, and people will have the attitude of 'why would i drop to a 250' after spending their time on a 650cc bike.

Im praying it drops the fuck outta the smokers, cos Ill buy every last one of the cunts and rape them all till theyre fucked

[DrunkenMistake]

I doubt it, VFR400s will probably go up, theyre a race replica, bigger than the 250s, within the lams (I think)
Will be interesting though. I wonder if it will hurt the 2 stroke market? - I think it will hurt it a bit, the learners arent allowed them, and people will have the attitude of 'why would i drop to a 250' after spending their time on a 650cc bike.

Im praying it drops the fuck outta the smokers, cos Ill buy every last one of the cunts and rape them all till theyre fucked

VFR 400's well the NC30 for sure isnt within Lams the RVF is though one must be lighter than the other or something along those lines

[neels]

I'd be keen on a cheap RGV250 when the learners are not allowed them, and everyone else is scared of them shitting themselves. Bring it on.