(Video) Katman bait

[Woodman]

Car driver and bike drivers will always do stupid things, make an error of judgement etc atfer all they are human, but in a car vs motorcyle accident the motorcyclist always comes off worse no matter who was at fault. Seems some just don't get that.

[_Shrek_]

Treat riding anywhere in the traffic with the same concern (not just lane splitting) and you will be better off.

on that ^^^

My point is that the rider in the video did very little wrong and still he is painted as reckless by the tards at KB when clearly the ute driver was in the wrong. As I said in my earlier post 'if you are riding between the front and rear bumpers of cars you are just as (if not more) vulnerable to acts by idiots in front of and behind you. Are all the KB cocks going to serve you up with lectures like this if you find yourself squished in such a position? I doubt it, yet it is just as relevant.

Keep a proper following distance and you'll be right I hear someone say? Try it and see how you go. You will soon find you need a reverse gear to maintain the following gap as cages keep streaming into the gap in front of you

"BUT THIS" ^^^^ sinful got it right

You my friend are an idiot !

[flyingcrocodile46]

on that ^^^




"BUT THIS" ^^^^ sinful got it right

So you think KBers would serve up lectures (for fucking up) to riders who got squished between front and rear bumpers of cars, and that it is possible to maintain prescribed following distances (1 car length for every 10 kph) without cars constantly cutting in front of you and reducing that following distance?

I think you two have got a large dose of the PKB's.

[onearmedbandit]

So you think KBers would serve up lectures (for fucking up) to riders who got squished between front and rear bumpers of cars, and that it is possible to maintain prescribed following distances (1 car length for every 10 kph) without cars constantly cutting in front of you and reducing that following distance?

I think you two have got a large dose of the PKB's.

Nothing will change what happened to that rider. What can change is other peoples awareness if it is pointed out that something like this can be avoided by being more aware of your surroundings. It may also benefit the involved rider the next time they are. No harm can come of this, other than some peoples feelings being hurt.

On your second point, I don't know the roads you ride on but I find no problem maintaining a safe distance without cars cutting in on me 'constantly'. Sure it happens but it also happens when I'm in my car. Doesn't mean I'm going to increase my chances of being in an accident by following at an unsafe distance just so cars can't cut in. That's just stupid logic. Honestly.

[Kendog]

but the ute driver gave no indication that he was going to change lane

What about his right hand indicator, flashing at least twice in the video?
Is that not enough for you?

[pritch]

Car driver and bike drivers will always do stupid things, make an error of judgement etc atfer all they are human, but in a car vs motorcyle accident the motorcyclist always comes off worse no matter who was at fault. Seems some just don't get that.

I shouldn't think so. It's so blindingly obvious that it should go without mention. In a car vs bike accident it will almost always be the biker who is lying on the deck. Except sometimes in the US of A where some dude hauls out his piece and starts shooting...

[_Shrek_]

Nothing will change what happened to that rider. What can change is other peoples awareness if it is pointed out that something like this can be avoided by being more aware of your surroundings. It may also benefit the involved rider the next time they are. No harm can come of this, other than some peoples feelings being hurt.

On your second point, I don't know the roads you ride on but I find no problem maintaining a safe distance without cars cutting in on me 'constantly'. Sure it happens but it also happens when I'm in my car. Doesn't mean I'm going to increase my chances of being in an accident by following at an unsafe distance just so cars can't cut in. That's just stupid logic. Honestly.

cheers for that, saves me having todo all the writing

[GrayWolf]

Treat riding anywhere in the traffic with the same concern (not just lane splitting) and you will be better off. My point is that the rider in the video did very little wrong and still he is painted as reckless by the tards at KB when clearly the ute driver was in the wrong. As I said in my earlier post 'if you are riding between the front and rear bumpers of cars you are just as (if not more) vulnerable to acts by idiots in front of and behind you. Are all the KB cocks going to serve you up with lectures like this if you find yourself squished in such a position? I doubt it, yet it is just as relevant.

Keep a proper following distance and you'll be right I hear someone say? Try it and see how you go. You will soon find you need a reverse gear to maintain the following gap as cages keep streaming into the gap in front of you.

Why is it we are discussing lane splitting but you now have to include riding in any condition to vent about the so called KB cocks giving a lecture? mate I would consider myself one of those aforementioned 'cocks'. Sometimes, just sometimes, said cocks have a wealth of experience or incidents to base their 'lectures' on. As Scummy has pointed out and I attempted to, you can be as right as right can be,, and you can stick to being 'in the right'... you are on the most vulnerable piece of motorised equipment on the road, you'll be DEAD RIGHT!!
Sometimes 'cowardice' IS the best defence, but then what do old fuckers like me know? jack shit I guess, we are too old to know it all.

[ckai]

Done a defensive driving course myself, and whilst we were taught to scan 12 seconds ahead we were never told to concentrate our field of vision there. Quite the contrary in fact, we were taught skills to develop all areas of vision. Just pointing it out.

Totally agree. Scanning and not looking at the wheel still wouldn't help. Because it was such a short amount of time and at the speed the bike was travelling, I would be my believe, that by the time the rider engaged his brain (for he is mere mortal and not a jet fighter) and reacted he still would have gone splat.

As you know, scanning is a very short look. By the time you're looking at something else, your brain is processing what it looked at previously. I don't even think an Indian (who are well known for their crazy wide field of vision) would have spotted the wheel in time and stopped.

Meh, it's all trivial really. The rider was a toser, the driver was a toser. No one gives a shit about anyone else anymore and everyone drives like fuck-tards, even the good ones.

[riffer]

Sometimes 'cowardice' IS the best defence, but then what do old fuckers like me know? jack shit I guess, we are too old to know it all.

Old bikers, bold bikers...

Meh. You know, its tough sometimes when you really believe in education rather than legislation. Some people just don't want to listen and in the end TPTB just end up further eroding our rights because some of us just won't learn.

[Maha]

TAG: Expert Opinion At Large.

[Ocean1]

Old bikers, bold bikers...

Meh. You know, its tough sometimes when you really believe in education rather than legislation. Some people just don't want to listen and in the end TPTB just end up further eroding our rights because some of us just won't learn.

So, you believe that's the only two options?

[riffer]

So, you believe that's the only two options?

No I don't. Not at all. However, I wasn't talking about myself; merely musing about the mental machinations of those in charge.

[Ocean1]

No I don't. Not at all. However, I wasn't talking about myself; merely musing about the mental machinations of those in charge.

Not just them. Blaming other people for not behaving the way one wants has become a national passtime of epidemic proportions. It won't end well for anyone.

[GrayWolf]

So, you believe that's the only two options?

No the third option? let 'Darwinism' take it's course.....

Seriously though Ocean,
if some wont be 'educated' and some will not accept a level of personal responsibility for their choices and how they affect others on the road; (really that is the crux of any argument over road rules) then TPTB are going to step in with a heavy handed approach.
There are so many on the road bike/car/truck who really believe they are 'superior drivers' and wont get 'caught out' often they are 'right', they leave the trail of carnage behind them. We can all be honest that anyone with a bike enjoys a twisty road ridden quickly and often will 'errrrrr' bend the speed limit. The other side of the coin is when you see a bike overtaking at 150+ k's. Yes I know modern brakes, bike performance etc do mechanically allow for this level of manouvere. Reality is it's way too fast for the roads you are on, they aren't constructed for that level of speed. Most 'behaviour' is ego driven rather than skill or ability based and we have ALL done it. Yes a sprot bike can accelerate to 100k's in sub 3 seconds, and reach 160 in under 10 easily. My ZZR will do that, and will crucify my MT-01 in that area of performance, however.. top gear 'roll on' from 80-100k's to overtake? bye bye Zed, the MT is quicker in the 'usable' speed range without dropping 1 or 2 cogs. 90% plus of riders CANNOT get the 'best performance' out of a 1000cc sprot bike on the road, they scream down the straights, slam on brakes, slow right down, then scream onto the next bend...... I watch on the Taka's as a sprot bike rider overtakes on the double solid lines approaching the often blind next bend, yes the bike can do it, but?????