Waitangi Day

**mashman** · 6th February 2012, 17:22

Originally Posted by Pussy

Make that three!
... useless bastards ... I am the first to reach in to my pocket to give someone a hand up... but anyone who thinks they will willingly get a hand out from me can kiss my arse.

Make that 4 of us

you got any spare change Mr

**mashman** · 6th February 2012, 17:23

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Yup legalise pot.

I want you to run the country

**DMNTD:Me** · 6th February 2012, 17:34

Originally Posted by mashman

From the conversations I've had with Maori and Pacifika, that's how they see it, they belong to the land and not vice versa. I can only guess that the reason they persist with the land being theirs, is because if the land isn't "owned" then whitey will claim if for himself... then who's going to protect the land/water?

Indeed...Maori do come from the Pacific islands by their own admission.
So really they are just trying to claim it so the fairer NZérs don't so it instead? Illogical yet I do believe that you're onto something.

IMO...New Zealand is "owned" by New Zealanders and NOT by any one so called race.
I am of german decent however I am Tangata whenua...I am of this Land

**ducatilover** · 6th February 2012, 17:39

Originally Posted by mashman

I want you to run the country

Deal. You can be my advisor or something.

**mashman** · 6th February 2012, 17:42

Originally Posted by DMNTD

Indeed...Maori do come from the Pacific islands by their own admission.
So really they are just trying to claim it so the fairer NZérs don't so it instead? Illogical yet I do believe that you're onto something.

IMO...New Zealand is "owned" by New Zealanders and NOT by any one so called race.
I am of german decent how I am Tangata whenua...I am of this Land

That's the bit that makes no sense eh... but I can't see why else Maori would claim the land but to protect it.

I'm a Pom, fresh off the boat so I must be wrong and can't join the kiwi club... so you're well within your rights to disregard anything I say and I apologise for offering unpalatable points of view, how dare I

. Hopefully my kids will be afforded Tangata whenua "status".

**Maha** · 6th February 2012, 17:43

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm not a guest anywhere.

This is as much my land as anyone else's.

With ya there Steve....what gives me a giggle is when I hear 16 year olds say ''we didn't give our land away''..
They are correct, they didn't...the highly respected Maori Cheif's of the day (170 years ago) signed the treaty in order to continue the protection of thier rights, no sale agreement was entered into...
Were they fools to do so?... I dont think so...the numbers that do think so, are dwindling by the year.
I dont think the land issue has anything to do with the treaty per se.
The treaty is more about protection of the land and Maori rights.
I may be corrected on this, but I think I have about right...in a nutshell.

**mashman** · 6th February 2012, 17:44

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Deal. You can be my advisor or something.

are you mad, oh hang on

... I'm a racist and I'm English, you won't last long...

**TrentNz** · 6th February 2012, 17:51

Originally Posted by mashman

That's the bit that makes no sense eh... but I can't see why else Maori would claim the land but to protect it.

I'm a Pom, fresh off the boat so I must be wrong and can't join the kiwi club... so you're well within your rights to disregard anything I say and I apologise for offering unpalatable points of view, how dare I

. Hopefully my kids will be afforded Tangata whenua "status".

Your kids don't want tangata whenua status...
trust me.

**rustyrobot** · 6th February 2012, 17:55

Originally Posted by Maha

With ya there Steve....what gives me a giggle is when I hear 16 year olds say ''we didn't give our land away''..
They are correct, they didn't...the highly respected Maori Cheif's of the day (170 years ago) signed the treaty in order to continue the protection of thier rights, no sale agreement was entered into...
Were they fools to do so?... I dont think so...the numbers that do think so, are dwindling by the year.
I dont think the land issue has anything to do with the treaty per se.
The treaty is more about protection of the land and Maori rights.
I may be corrected on this, but I think I have about right...in a nutshell.

Actually, a number of different tribes didn't sign the treaty, and those who did signed a version written in Maori with a distinctly different emphasis. All of this is by the by anyway, because the treaty was thoroughly ignored by the 'crown' for the first 50 odd years of it's existence. Even after that, it was only vaguely referred too and not instituted - until the 1970s. The Waitangi Tribunal was set up specifically to address this 'oversight'. If I signed an agreement with you, say that I would lease your house but you would still have a say over any changes made to the property, and then I ignored that for 50 years and put up (for arguments sake) an 8 foot corrugated iron fence with barbed wire and security cameras - would that feel fair to you?

The treaty gives British folks (and other subjects of her majesty) a genuine right to be in New Zealand - or it would had the contract been honoured. People of the land? Well, that's not what British people call themselves in the UK. Why is it so important to consider yourself that here? People of the Treaty? Why not - it validates our place. Of course all you other folks need to ask the Crown why the thought they had the right to offer visas, etc. because the Treaty only signs over rights to subjects of the British monarchy.

**SMOKEU** · 6th February 2012, 17:56

Originally Posted by DMNTD

I am of german decent however I am Tangata whenua...I am of this Land

Being a wigga you'll fit right in with these guys here.

**DMNTD:Me** · 6th February 2012, 17:56

Originally Posted by mashman

That's the bit that makes no sense eh... but I can't see why else Maori would claim the land but to protect it.

I'm a Pom, fresh off the boat so I must be wrong and can't join the kiwi club... so you're well within your rights to disregard anything I say and I apologise for offering unpalatable points of view, how dare I

. Hopefully my kids will be afforded Tangata whenua "status".

If Maori as an organised group were to be proactively trying to protect OUR land, then I'd bright behind them as a group.
However I see it as more of a power play by a certain group of people of Maori decent attempting to gain an ongoing 'income' from the government of the day.

Don't appologise...you're entitled to your opinion and IMO 2nd generation imports that call NZ their home, integrate into Kiwi society and treat it as such are Tangata whenua.

**DMNTD:Me** · 6th February 2012, 17:57

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Being a wigga you'll fit right in with these guys here.

Actually I'm a 110kg gent with a skinhead and an extremely proactive attitude.

**Oblivion** · 6th February 2012, 18:03

I hate the sense of entitlement that these Maori have. When will they realise that this is no longer a country ruled by the one race? We have many cultures and races and yet these people still think that they are owed something.