Does ecilop radar have to have speed locked to issue ticket?

**FJRider** · 9th February 2012, 17:59

Originally Posted by KX500

Cheers Davereid for all the info

Dosnt have two boxs or anything about microwave, he printed off machine like parking warden uses.

Oh ... the "smart device" ...

Fight it ... I DARE YOU ....

**KX500** · 9th February 2012, 18:20

From what Dave has posted good chance of getting off.

Either way they need new tools in the fight for road safety

In car set up like a speed camera where rego plate recorded to, even looking at dash unit no good when could have been nother vehicle.

**SMOKEU** · 9th February 2012, 18:21

Originally Posted by KX500

Bit taken back though that we live in such a lack luster society where many quite happy to take officers word on the situation, they not god - could have been a plumber 6 months prior

Would you rather be in a country where a police officers word doesn't count for anything?

Criminal: "But judge, it wasn't me who stole that car then did a runner from the cops and crashed into a pole. The cop is lying about the whole thing".

Judge: "I find you not guilty, case closed".

**KX500** · 9th February 2012, 18:30

No - rather live in a society that is based on fact ! (proof) Wouldn't you Mr Fuck The Police ? Or is that aka Mr Ironic ?

**FJRider** · 9th February 2012, 18:31

Originally Posted by KX500

From what Dave has posted good chance of getting off.

Either way they need new tools in the fight for road safety

In car set up like a speed camera where rego plate recorded to, even looking at dash unit no good when could have been nother vehicle.

"Get off" ??? ... loss of a day's wages at least (if you are working)

Liable for a bit more $$$$ than the original fine if you dont ... plus costs ...

**KX500** · 9th February 2012, 18:37

Dosn't apply to me having to take day off work FJ

Where's society going to go if law enforcement is based on word ? Reason why it is stated to always get a written quote over a verbal.

**RDJ** · 9th February 2012, 18:38

Justice is expensive for you - except when the defendant is legally aided. Then it's expensive for us.

One of my fellow riders got fined for 121 km/hr in a straight line overtaking maneouvre - he said he didn't want to be on the other side of the road longer than necessary but he never went that fast. He went to court, and lost. Now he rides with his GPS set to register the maximum speed for the record if needed. I doubt that would sway a court - would likely be inadmissible.

Usually the authorities work on the (correct) premise that the middle class are the easiest to target; no diversity exemptions, no WINZ subsidies, usually employed and often self-employed so a day off work to defend oneself is too expensive to do. And - we tend to pay the fines.

Bleeding the people who can (just) afford to pay up will continue for the foreseeable future...

**SMOKEU** · 9th February 2012, 18:40

Originally Posted by KX500

No - rather live in a society that is based on fact ! (proof) Wouldn't you Mr Fuck The Police ? Or is that aka Mr Ironic ?

So if a cop catches someone tagging your fence, what are they meant to use as evidence against the offender? If the offender was wearing gloves then there may not be any finger prints on the spray can or marker pen, then any evidence is just hearsay.

**KX500** · 9th February 2012, 18:44

Yeah just like tax system with middle class being taken for a ride.

Says in road code to overtake as quckly as you can

**Madness** · 9th February 2012, 18:48

If you decide to try & defend this then I wish you all the best of luck and think good on you for doing so. From my own experience I'd suggest you put it down to wrong place, wrong time and pay it, meanwhile being thankful it's not a bullshit Dangerous Driving charge. But that's me and your circumstances may be that you are in a position to contribute a minimum of a full day in court and at least $1,000 if you decide to hire a Lawyer. Even then you have to hope the Judge doesn't have a G&T hangover that day and the moons are fully aligned to have any chance of success.

**davereid** · 9th February 2012, 18:48

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Would you rather be in a country where a police officers word doesn't count for anything? Criminal: "But judge, it wasn't me who stole that car then did a runner from the cops and crashed into a pole. The cop is lying about the whole thing". Judge: "I find you not guilty, case closed".

Thats how it is when I'm on a jury.

I was riding my motorbike one day, not speeding, following another biker, who also was not speeding. He got pulled over. I stopped from interest and got told to piss off by the cop. I said no thanks, I will hang around. Cop said if you are here in 30 secs I will charge you both with racing and have your bikes impounded.

So I know from personal experience that some cops will lie without blinking an eye.

A few months later I was on a jury. It essentially came down to police witness evidence. I would not and never will convict based on a policeman's statement as I have seen them lie at the drop of a hat.

**FJRider** · 9th February 2012, 18:49

Originally Posted by KX500

Dosn't apply to me having to take day off work FJ

Where's society going to go if law enforcement is based on word ? Reason why it is stated to always get a written quote over a verbal.

Police have sworn an oath to uphold the law ... This is the bit Judges remember, and take seriously.

Some officers don't take it as seriously ...

**CookMySock** · 9th February 2012, 18:49

Uh oh, people are waking up to the scam... whatever will the govt do about this?

**KX500** · 9th February 2012, 18:49

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

So if a cop catches someone tagging your fence, what are they meant to use as evidence against the offender? If the offender was wearing gloves then there may not be any finger prints on the spray can or marker pen, then any evidence is just hearsay.

Could you please compare apples with apples, your analogy does not pertain to an instant fine.