Does ecilop radar have to have speed locked to issue ticket?

[Madness]

Rastuscat is here. What say you, Donut Man?

[rastuscat]

Got pinged doing 67 down gasson st ch-ch, was traveling north in left hand lane, 2 lanes head north and one heads south - cop was parked opposite side.

Thinking now but prob to late - how can they issue a ticket if the alledged speed is not locked and displayed on the radar dash unit ? What can ya do if you do look at the dash unit and the alledged speed is not showing ?

Gasson Street? You mean the street where a motorcyclist died recently when a van pulled out of a stop sign in front of him? Sorry, sympathy disappeared just now.

The policy says that if the reading is available to view it should be shown to the driver on request. Nothing says it has to be shown.

There are a range of factors which determine what speed is displayed in the target window, and which determine which speed is locked. Proximity, speed, mass, reflectivity, luck. Heard of the 'faster' window? It can be locked if the operator has one of the new handsets, common to HP but not the city units.

It comes down to tracking history. If you appeared to be the fastest vehicle, the evil-revenue-collecting-bitch is safe to write you up, as if the reading actually belonged to the other vehicle, and you appeared to be going faster, you should think yourself lucky not to be getting a ticket for your actual speed (but rather, his).

Tracking history is a great tool for an experienced officer. Its a bit hit and miss when applied by an inexperienced soul.

Thinking now but prob to late - how can they issue a ticket if the alledged speed is not locked and displayed on the radar dash unit ? What can ya do if you do look at the dash unit and the alledged speed is not showing ?

Yes.

[rastuscat]

Rastuscat is here. What say you, Donut Man?

Hate to let anyone down. Sorry Madness, hadn't read your post when I answered the question. Nice to be thought of by someone other than the manager of the local Dunkin Donuts.

[rastuscat]

I can't find it right now, but is been published on the site already. There is a High court precedent, thats if you are not shown a locked reading when you request it, the ticket is junk.

Use search and requote it.

Of course they often get a confession and that will sink you ie "why were you speeding sir ?" any explanation is a confession.

Radar should not be used with more than one vehicle in the beam. For technical reasons its bad man to do it.

I can't find it right now? Convenient.

[rastuscat]

found this

http://www.fastandsafe.co.nz/Pages/M...ce18Feb05.shtm

Police need evidence for speed tickets
18 February 2005

By ANNA CLARIDGE

Motorists who are pinged for speeding by police radar might have a complete defence if the officer taking the reading cannot produce it in court.

Remember to read the words highlighted.

The journo further shows her lack of understanding by saying that the officer has to produce the reading in court. Tripe. How do you produce a reading that appeared on a radar display several months earlier?

Good word, quote cases that have no legal weight, given they arose from a District Court hearing.

Grrrrrrrrr

[The Lone Rider]

I would not and never will convict based on a policeman's statement as I have seen them lie at the drop of a hat.

A poll currently running on 13 says 47.95% of people who voted, "do not trust or respect" the NZ police.

Coming in second place at 24.66% is "respect and trust", followed by "respect but not trust" (21.92%) and lowest is "trust but dont respect" (5.48%)

I think the sample size is around 200-300 people (without logging in to check). And results I guess are only representative of whoever visits the website.

[chasio]

So you have confirmed the location and speed of the ticket in a public forum. At a wild guess it may have been on a KX500 but even if not, there is plenty to go on with which to pin down which motorist is involved, when and where. You have stated that your forks would have been compressed from spirited braking. And you have stated you were riding without a license. If I were you, about now I would realize that, oh silly me, the license was in my jacket pocket all along, pay the $120 and move on.

[KX500]

Gasson Street? You mean the street where a motorcyclist died recently when a van pulled out of a stop sign in front of him? Sorry, sympathy disappeared just now.

"Don't you guys get free donuts like in the states ?"

Who said anything about asking for sympathy ? Thats why they were there cause of the accident you mentioned - who they said was going considerably faster than I was (11 miles an hour of earth shattering stuff) - ambulance at the bottom of the cliff stuff for the poor dead soul now. Most speed down gasson - why ? Cause up until now there is "never" any cops on gasson. Pretty common is it not for people to speed down roads and streets that they know cops hardly ever sit on ?

[Swoop]

Thats how it is when I'm on a jury.

So I know from personal experience that some cops will lie without blinking an eye.

A few months later I was on a jury.

I have seen exactly the same. Cop lying in front of the judge.
Luckily it didn't taint the prosecution's case (this time) and we convicted, but everything I see in court is looked at with suspicion now.

[rastuscat]

Where's society going to go if law enforcement is based on word ? Reason why it is stated to always get a written quote over a verbal.

I'm on a roll now...........................

The reason why a cops evidence is often preferred is the question of motivation. The cop has bugger all reason to make it up, unless they have a wish to end their career in an untimely fashion. The punter, however, has obvious motivation to tell a story of innocence.

HOWEVER, and before I get hammered for saying that, I firmly believe that people who are accused of things very often form a mental picture at variance from what often happens. It's a psychological self defence mechanism, where a persons view of themselves as innocent, 'good' citizens prevents their ego from believing an accusation from a societal representative.

A couple of years back I posted a letter from a guy grizzling about how he had been fitted up, an innocent person accused of a driving offence he had never committed in his life. Such were his plea of innocence that even I as almost convinced. So I sat and watched the video again of him driving through a red light. That chap firmly believed in his innocence, and would have told all who cared to listen about how the revenue collecting Popos had wrongly accused him. His complaints would have gained traction with all who belived they been wrongly accused over the years.

And yet, if I hadn't had that on video, as we normally don't, it would have been his word against mine. Would justice have truly been served if he had defended it and the court hadn't believed me? As it happens, I showed him the video, and shortly after he paid the fine.

It must be a bastard to be an innocent person accused, but it happens a lot less often than you might hear at your uncles mates neighbours party.

Harumph.

[KX500]

So you have confirmed the location and speed of the ticket in a public forum. At a wild guess it may have been on a KX500 but even if not, there is plenty to go on with which to pin down which motorist is involved, when and where. You have stated that your forks would have been compressed from spirited braking. And you have stated you were riding without a license. If I were you, about now I would realize that, oh silly me, the license was in my jacket pocket all along, pay the $120 and move on.

Crikey see why churchill drunk so much, no I'm not lucky enuff to be one of the two people that have a road registered KX500 in New Zealand, system by passers. I blimpt the throttle to pass the plumber ute with a canopy who was doing about 40 prob cause seen the cop and was fanging it prior, then I spotted the cop and braked case I was going over speed limit. If you think it is safer to travel in the blind spot of a ute with a canopy good luck on staying alive, go slower than the ute and end up getting rear ended by faster moving traffic coming round the corner ?

READ the whole thread and you will see the discussion is on police ethics now, moved on from paying the fine many posts ago.

[rastuscat]

"Don't you guys get free donuts like in the states ?"

Who said anything about asking for sympathy ? Thats why they were there cause of the accident you mentioned - who they said was going considerably faster than I was (11 miles an hour of earth shattering stuff) - ambulance at the bottom of the cliff stuff for the poor dead soul now. Most speed down gasson - why ? Cause up until now there is "never" any cops on gasson. Pretty common is it not for people to speed down roads and streets that they know cops hardly ever sit on ?

Sorry I got a titch on and vented.

Yes, we hammer the stop signs down in the block between Moorhouse and Brougham, but we also deal with speed too. It's better to be doing 50-55 down there when someone pulls out in front of you, even if it's their fault.

Can I offer you a donut to make up for your ticket? I directed the car that caught you to be there, figure I might owe you one.

[KX500]

I'm on a roll now...........................

The reason why a cops evidence is often preferred is the question of motivation. The cop has bugger all reason to make it up, unless they have a wish to end their career in an untimely fashion. The punter, however, has obvious motivation to tell a story of innocence.


Harumph.

You guys do a great job for all of us ! I did think though that bugger from rangoon got me.

So there has never ever been a case of an officer stretching the truth to get his quota up to impress the top brass for quicker promotion ?

[rastuscat]

You guys do a great job for all of us ! I did think though that bugger from rangoon got me.

So there has never ever been a case of an officer stretching the truth to get his quota up to impress the top brass for quicker promotion ?

I expect that, given that Popos are human, mistakes will be made. Just not on every ticket ever written to every motorist who protests every accusation ever made.

By the way, anyone know how to identify camellias?

[RDJ]

I'm on a roll now...........................

The reason why a cops evidence is often preferred is the question of motivation. The cop has bugger all reason to make it up, unless they have a wish to end their career in an untimely fashion. The punter, however, has obvious motivation to tell a story of innocence.

"we are all the heroes of our own stories" as the saying goes. The policeman in court - by the time the case gets to court - may not be able to willing to back out of what looked like an easy case (lots of downside consequences in any organisation if you let the team down after spending the team's time and money and also risking the team's reputation...) or more likely, the policeman may not make it up but may choose to misremember what happened for exactly the same reasons as the rest of us.

Realtime video is one way of sorting the facts from the fiction. One of my fellow riders (mentioned in another thread) chooses to run with his GPS set to record the highest speed he got to on any given trip. Personally, I run with a VIO bikecam set on a continuous 4 hour loop...