NZTA = money grubbing swine

[FJRider]

True, but the statement from the NZTA was "the letter is a courtesy, not an obligation'.
Whereas if the promissory estoppel is a valid point, they are obliged to continue to send reminders.

As the "reminders" are computer generated, and automated. Would you not bet one was sent. Pay what is owed ... on move on ... muttering ...

Or spend money on a lawyer ... ??? over 3 months rego ... ???

[Dodgy]

Just get over it and learn for next time. I put a note on my calendar as a reminder and then do it online for two of the bikes. Honestly, it is your responsibility to be organised and make sure that you are not caught out.

[baffa]

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different aint it?, if your vehicles sitting in the garage you are NOT using the service they are charging you for, rego is payment for the privilege to use the roads if your not using them what are you paying for?. For any private company it is illegal for them to charge you for a service you are not utilizing.
But hey if you feel it right to pay for services you are not using, feel free to pay me 60$/hr for the IT support I am not supplying you. Tell you what special deal just for you, $45k and you get a years support, thats a saving of 480,600$ you can't say thats not a good deal

Lets break down your argument. If your vehicle is in the garage, you should make sure your rego is still on hold. Oh wait, that's right, the OP didnt. If I paid you to provide me IT support, then forgot to tell you to stop, then I would have to pay you for the extra work you did. Even if you didnt remind me that you were still working away in the background.

However, I dont want to let common sense get in the way of people complaining about "The Man"

[oneofsix]

Lets break down your argument. If your vehicle is in the garage, you should make sure your rego is still on hold. Oh wait, that's right, the OP didnt. If I paid you to provide me IT support, then forgot to tell you to stop, then I would have to pay you for the extra work you did. Even if you didnt remind me that you were still working away in the background.

However, I dont want to let common sense get in the way of people complaining about "The Man"

Think you got that back to front. To use your example if you employed someone to provide IT support, paid for the time and then suspended it for a year, wouldn't you get a bit pissed off if after 2 years they charged you for 12 months IT support without you using their service or them telling you that the suspension had expired and they now considered they were providing the support facility?

[psykonosis]

It can be very easy to forget when your bike is coming off hold. Catches many a people out. If you're gonna put your bike on hold, pencil it into a calendar or make a note or something rather than relying on the NZTA to "remind you" that it's coming up. I wouldn't trust it. Could save you $$ next time

[Scuba_Steve]

Lets break down your argument. If your vehicle is in the garage, you should make sure your rego is still on hold. Oh wait, that's right, the OP didnt. If I paid you to provide me IT support, then forgot to tell you to stop, then I would have to pay you for the extra work you did. Even if you didnt remind me that you were still working away in the background.

However, I dont want to let common sense get in the way of people complaining about "The Man"

are you even reading what you are saying?
A vehicle in the garage (especially one in pieces) is NOT using the services they are charging you for. Whereas if you hire me "until further notice" you would be benefiting from a service I AM providing you regardless of if you still wanted it

The vehicle licencing system is currently setup to extort money, the NZTA are as the title says "money grubbing swine".

[baffa]

Think you got that back to front. To use your example if you employed someone to provide IT support, paid for the time and then suspended it for a year, wouldn't you get a bit pissed off if after 2 years they charged you for 12 months IT support without you using their service or them telling you that the suspension had expired and they now considered they were providing the support facility?

Yeah it's not a great comparison. The point with rego is that if you wish to temporarily put your vehicle on hold, you must tell them for how long. If you hold it for 3 months, after 3 months you have to pay rego again unless you arrange something new. They are nice enough to send a reminder towards the end of the 3 months, but it doesnt matter if they do or dont, you are responsible for registering your own vehicle. I know of plenty of people who had no issue putting project cars on hold for a year, I dont see the drama.

If you wish to permanantly keep the vehicle off the road, you can do that too. There's only one small problem with that, the insane fees you have to pay to relicense it.

[baffa]

are you even reading what you are saying?
A vehicle in the garage (especially one in pieces) is NOT using the services they are charging you for. Whereas if you hire me "until further notice" you would be benefiting from a service I AM providing you regardless of if you still wanted it

The vehicle licencing system is currently setup to extort money, the NZTA are as the title says "money grubbing swine".

Quick Q: Are all your vehicles road registered?

[Scuba_Steve]

Quick Q: Are all your vehicles road registered?

Quick A: no

[oneofsix]

Yeah it's not a great comparison. The point with rego is that if you wish to temporarily put your vehicle on hold, you must tell them for how long. If you hold it for 3 months, after 3 months you have to pay rego again unless you arrange something new. They are nice enough to send a reminder towards the end of the 3 months, but it doesnt matter if they do or dont, you are responsible for registering your own vehicle. I know of plenty of people who had no issue putting project cars on hold for a year, I dont see the drama.

If you wish to permanantly keep the vehicle off the road, you can do that too. There's only one small problem with that, the insane fees you have to pay to relicense it.

But why must I tell then how long? If I'm fixing it I wont no how long. You mean they covered their money grubbing by writing the law that way when they went to continuous registration because before hand you could put it on indefinite hold and now they have the law that way they make it your problem to track the hold even though they have the systems, information and the interest which you don't. Another case of offloading the problem to those least able to deal with it and then blame them when they fail. It isn't a case of being nice enough to send a reminder, if they want to start charging then they should HAVE to send the reminder.
BTW you owe me $400 for me service, did I forget to send you reminder? Oh well it is only a nice to have friendly service I provide in sending a reminder, you have to tell me if you don't require my service.

[FJRider]

A vehicle in the garage (especially one in pieces) is NOT using the services they are charging you for.

The vehicle isn't ... you are (did) ... You used the services to put it on hold for a set period of time. You knew how long that period was for. And ... if you were aware of the rules of the system (and not just assumed what they were) you may have taken more notice of the first reminder when it arrived in your letterbox.

The vehicle licencing system is currently setup to extort money, the NZTA are as the title says "money grubbing swine".

That system you complain of ... has been in force for some time now. And is it not your fault, for not being aware of all the rules in it.
As with all other "Rules of the system" ... ignorance of them ... is no excuse, if penaltys are applied for failing to follow them.

[baffa]

You're right, you shouldnt have to tell them how long. Problem is, too many people put their vehicles on hold indefinitely, even when they will still be used for road use. Thanks to the idiocy of the general public, we have tighter restrictions.

Just like how rego increases will continue because people like ss feel the need to flout the system whilst the rest of us pay.

[oneofsix]

You're right, you shouldnt have to tell them how long. Problem is, too many people put their vehicles on hold indefinitely, even when they will still be used for road use. Thanks to the idiocy of the general public, we have tighter restrictions.

Just like how rego increases will continue because people like ss feel the need to flout the system whilst the rest of us pay.

Are you one of those that advocate punishing all rather than going after those that are to blame?

But isn't that mixing it up? What the difference between putting it on 6 months hold for the winter and then riding it verses putting it on indefinite hold?

End result of the present system is to punish those that need to put it on indefinite hold for legitimate reasons but does nothing to address those riding whilst their rego is on hold. By punishing those that have legitimate reason it breeds resentment, as per the title, and encourages abuse of the system thereby defeating their aim.

[baffa]

I dont think my point is all that difficult.

Road registering isnt optional. It is mandatory. Flouting the system shits in the face of everyone else who pays the money and follows the rules. If you dont like the system, and tbh I dont blame you, then find a way to change it, or find somewhere else to live.

I dont like the cost of fuel. Maybe I should stop paying for it.

[FJRider]

Are you one of those that advocate punishing all rather than going after those that are to blame?

I would think ... he is correctly stating why. Not advocating any such thing.

But isn't that mixing it up? What the difference between putting it on 6 months hold for the winter and then riding it verses putting it on indefinite hold?

If you put it on hold for six months specified ... you can expect that after six months, rego fee's will be required. (unless you choose to extend the "hold" period)

Simple eh ... !!!

End result of the present system is to punish those that need to put it on indefinite hold for legitimate reasons but does nothing to address those riding whilst their rego is on hold. By punishing those that have legitimate reason it breeds resentment, as per the title, and encourages abuse of the system thereby defeating their aim.

If "punishment" is going into a Post shop and filling out another form ... is it that harsh ... ???

With the present system ... Only lazyness and stupidity is "punished" ...