All charges dropped

**scumdog** · 18th March 2012, 17:52

Originally Posted by davereid

. The cops simply cant meet them if they are in court all the time.

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Or it might make them even more zealous in dishing out ticket after Court, - you know, to catch up on their non-quota...

**jaykay** · 19th March 2012, 20:46

Originally Posted by davereid

Milan

I have defended all my tickets over the years, and I don't even bother writing to the police except to deny the offence, and for disclosure.

And I thought I was the only one who argued about every ticket, I salute you.

I think I'm five to one up against the police personally, with one draw at present.

Alleged speeding; stupidly paid the first one nine years ago - took two camera ones to the High Court forcing the Police to correct their paperwork (took 18 months), three others have been dropped within a couple of days of the hearing. Last one is drawn at present - demerit points have run out, haven't been chased for fine yet.

Suffice to say that a couple of other family members cases have disappeared into a black hole of ???

**davereid** · 20th March 2012, 06:59

Originally Posted by jaykay

And I thought I was the only one who argued about every ticket, I salute you.

I think I'm five to one up against the police personally, with one draw at present.

Alleged speeding; stupidly paid the first one nine years ago - took two camera ones to the High Court forcing the Police to correct their paperwork (took 18 months), three others have been dropped within a couple of days of the hearing. Last one is drawn at present - demerit points have run out, haven't been chased for fine yet.

Suffice to say that a couple of other family members cases have disappeared into a black hole of ???

If you get convicted of the last offence and it carries demerits, you may still lose your licence.

If you get more than the specified number of demerits in the specified period, based on date of offence not date of conviction, then they still apply.

Speed camera tickets are voluntary - you only pay them if you want to.

If you can't remember being the driver, so dont think you were, and you make exhaustive enquires to find out who was and no one else remembers being the driver, you have a complete defence.

And for some reason, memory lapses around speed cameras are common.

The government gave me a lifetime licence, and forgot they had done it.
The government said speed cameras would be clearly marked with signs, and forgot they had done it.
The government said speed cameras would never be hidden, and they forgot they had done it.
The government said speed cameras would only be used where there was high risk and they forgot they had done it.
The government said speed cameras would only be set to catch the top 5% of speeding drivers, and they forgot they had done it.

So its hardly surprising that I forgot who was driving.

**Scuba_Steve** · 20th March 2012, 07:29

tell ya what boys if you want it even easier (or don't have the time) just ignore them. Been working for me so far.
I used to fight them, regardless of guilt cause I sorta enjoyed it really (had I been any good at the England I'd probably be a lawyer right now

.) But then more recently I found I didn't have time to piss round with scams so I just ignored them & it's been working quite well.

**Zedder** · 20th March 2012, 08:52

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

tell ya what boys if you want it even easier (or don't have the time) just ignore them. Been working for me so far.
I used to fight them, regardless of guilt cause I sorta enjoyed it really (had I been any good at the England I'd probably be a lawyer right now

.) But then more recently I found I didn't have time to piss round with scams so I just ignored them & it's been working quite well.

What about the court enforcement actions (income deductions, property seizure etc) when you don't pay up Scube?

**Delerium** · 20th March 2012, 12:16

Originally Posted by Kiwibaconator

I think it's simple, they write tickets and most people will pay them. If I hadn't fought it, they would happily have taken the money. The PR machine would notch up another victory in saving the country from another dangerous criminal. Instead of the true story where an innocent motorist has spared themselves from a miscarriage of justice from overzealous officers.

As for not informing me it was dropped until I turned up to court? We can only speculate.
It could be the information was only reviewed at the last minute. But that is also speculation. The police had all of this information three months prior.

It must be noted that if I was ticketed away from home, I would have been unable to turn up to court without serious inconvenience. At which point I would have been found guilty in absence.
The officers who pulled me over, thought I lived several hours away. Coincidence or hanging dodgy tickets on those less able to defend themselves?

I may need your help. Have received 2x speed camera tickets (same camera) which was not me. Rental truck i drove for my previous employer in January 2011. Tickets issued in august 2011 - I receive court notice in DECEMBER 2011. Much chasing around, the tickets HAVE been paid by the actual person - courts dont care any more as the fine has been paid. But, the infringement is STILL on my drivers license. (it took a long time to decipher the near illiterate letter sent by the cops to me). Now I have to chase up the court registra AGAIN as they have not actioned my initial paper work to prove it wasnt me (the cops agree, but the courts havent done anything). way to go nz justice.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 20th March 2012, 12:26

Originally Posted by Delerium

I may need your help. Have received 2x speed camera tickets (same camera) which was not me. Rental truck i drove for my previous employer in January 2011. Tickets issued in august 2011 - I receive court notice in DECEMBER 2011. Much chasing around, the tickets HAVE been paid by the actual person - courts dont care any more as the fine has been paid. But, the infringement is STILL on my drivers license. (it took a long time to decipher the near illiterate letter sent by the cops to me). Now I have to chase up the court registra AGAIN as they have not actioned my initial paper work to prove it wasnt me (the cops agree, but the courts havent done anything). way to go nz justice.

Write a letter of complaint to the Minister of Justice, and the Minister responsible for the Courts, and copy the Prime Minister. They quite literally have nothing better to do than to ensure the bureaucracy is not oppressing law abiding citizens. Yes I am serious.

**davereid** · 20th March 2012, 13:05

Originally Posted by Delerium

I may need your help. Have received 2x speed camera tickets (same camera) which was not me. Rental truck i drove for my previous employer in January 2011. Tickets issued in august 2011 - I receive court notice in DECEMBER 2011. Much chasing around, the tickets HAVE been paid by the actual person - courts dont care any more as the fine has been paid. But, the infringement is STILL on my drivers license. (it took a long time to decipher the near illiterate letter sent by the cops to me). Now I have to chase up the court registra AGAIN as they have not actioned my initial paper work to prove it wasnt me (the cops agree, but the courts havent done anything). way to go nz justice.

There are currently no demerits recorded for speed camera offences.

If the money has been paid it can be ignored.

**Scuba_Steve** · 20th March 2012, 13:09

Originally Posted by Zedder

What about the court enforcement actions (income deductions, property seizure etc) when you don't pay up Scube?

I'll let you know when it happens

**Zedder** · 20th March 2012, 13:15

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I'll let you know when it happens

Thanks.

In future though I'd appreciate it if you didn't have me wait half a day while you load all your gear into a trailer and do a runner so the authorities don't catch up with you.

**Scuba_Steve** · 20th March 2012, 13:21

Originally Posted by Zedder

Thanks.

In future though I'd appreciate it if you didn't have me wait half a day while you load all your gear into a trailer and do a runner so the authorities don't catch up with you.

last time I packed up all my stuff & moved it took 3 days. I don't plan on doing that again anytime soon

**Zedder** · 20th March 2012, 13:29

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

last time I packed up all my stuff & moved it took 3 days. I don't plan on doing that again anytime soon

Yep, "moving house" is a real pain alright.

**MSTRS:Me** · 20th March 2012, 15:21

Originally Posted by davereid

There are currently no demerits recorded for speed camera offences.

If the money has been paid it can be ignored.

Nup. Insurance is affected (if you tell them, like you are legally obliged to - or they find out some other way).

**davereid** · 20th March 2012, 17:36

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Nup. Insurance is affected (if you tell them, like you are legally obliged to - or they find out some other way).

The NZTA only record demerits - the law does not allow them to record tickets that do not include demerits, so speed camera tickets are not recorded against your licence.