Police target motorcyclists in another safety campaign

**mossy1200** · 20th March 2012, 21:32

Originally Posted by Zamiam

You guys are so funny. My vehicles are always registered/licensed, current wof etc when used on the road therefore I am legal, have paid my dues and also had an "expert" check they are fit to be on the road. So I have done nothing wrong yet someone can decide they have the right to illegally detain me from going about my business. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread the technology exists to do rego recognition. If the government was to spend the money it would be recovered very quickly as it would work 24/7. I'd have no problem with this. It would also allow police resources to be utilized for more important things such as real crime.

Correct but it wont test if you own the bike(borrowed or stolen) or if you have been drinking or on drugs.The fear of getting caught is a deterrent for most who might be tempted to have some drinks or drugs or ride that tyre till the warrents due even though its got wires poking out.You know a tyre can be bald the day after you get a warrent.

I still believe the attention that a few draw towards motorcycles are the cause of the 1month blitz more than anything else.
the average scooter rider in Wellington has a helmet and nothing else in the way of gear.Some wear push bike helmets.

Search trade me and you will see people selling scooter 125s licenced as mopeds so they dont need a warrent and they openly advertise it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-459323737.htm

**pete376403** · 20th March 2012, 22:00

got no problem with the cops stopping vehicles for wof and rego checks but is should be ALL vehicle, not just bikes.

(would be priceless to see the mayhem this would cause at peak hour - specially as the bikes could filter through)

**Zamiam** · 20th March 2012, 22:01

Shit didn't realize they checked ownership on the side of the road. Given that most vehicles I drive are company owned they must search company files, sometimes multiple levels to know I'm allowed to be driving them.

Guys and girls anyone can justify allowing this kind of thing to go on BUT you will never convince me that the old adage "you've got nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong" justifies what is slowly becoming a police state.

As for illegally stopping me - yes the bill of rights is meant to prevent me being harassed/stopped from going about my legal business. Once someone can do this without reason the length of time I'm stopped for is irrelevant. They can ticket us for being over the speed limit by 1 km/hr so stopping me for 1 second is illegal.

Thin end of the wedge, one day you'll wake up and find you can't fart without paying carbon tax and say when did we allow them this power ?

**FJRider** · 20th March 2012, 22:04

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Can you explain how such technology recognises who is riding/ driving the vehicle?

It doesn't matter who was in control of the vehecle. "The letter" gets sent to the registered owner. It is up to them to prove it wasn't them ... and who was. I think up to a $10,000 fine for not supplying that information to police.

**Deano** · 20th March 2012, 22:06

You get a free muesli bar you ingrateful cunt lol

**Deano** · 20th March 2012, 22:09

Will we see them on trtnr ? We usually see them every week in any case. Oh that's right, I won't be seeing anyone for a while lol

**FJRider** · 20th March 2012, 22:12

Originally Posted by Zamiam

Shit didn't realize they checked ownership on the side of the road. Given that most vehicles I drive are company owned they must search company files, sometimes multiple levels to know I'm allowed to be driving them.

You can get a ticket for no WOF/rego in a company vehicle. Who owns it/has permission to use it is not important (unless it's been reported stolen) Having your licence is .... because you get the ticket

**Deano** · 20th March 2012, 22:14

How dare they - seriously how fucking dare they offer me a free muesli bar and some road safety advice when I fucking know everything lol

But jokes aside, how fucking dare they offer me a pic of stoney on his ktm

**FJRider** · 20th March 2012, 22:19

Originally Posted by sondela

A little off the subject here, but I saw one of Chch's bike cops Lights on, pull over a bicyclist and ticket him today. Must say, said cyclist looked very unhappy indeed (heh) Anyone know what cyclists get ticketed for? I thought they were immune....

They can't get done for no rego/WOF. everything else ... DIC/speeding/failing to give way/running a red ... and they are certainly not immune.

And you can lose your licence on a treadly ...

**FJRider** · 20th March 2012, 22:22

Originally Posted by Deano

But jokes aside, how fucking dare they offer me a pic of stoney on his ktm

Apparently ... it's wallet sized ... (so nobody will know you carry one)

**Nzpure** · 20th March 2012, 22:25

I think the point is simple. Its not about the cops revenue gathering, or any other bullshit complaint. My issue is simple, Its illegal according to the bill of rights to be detained without any reason. The bullshit about traffic lights is stupid, Theres a reason traffic lights stop you and its a valid one. To stop a motorist simply because they are on a motorbike is/should be illegal. Its because we ratify this ""initiative"" that it continues. The bill of rights is quite clear on this. But the government will continue this sort of thing until the people (Us) put a stop to it. As kiwi's however we will just roll over and take it, Thats what we will do as we always have. Its not the coppa's that are doing it, They have a job to do just like everyone else. It's the government, People will keep allowing it as they see it is a safety factor but as my mate Benny Franklin put it so well. Those who will give up their liberties for a little safety deserve neither.
The cops dont have a right to stop you for no reason. Its a breach of our rights, but will continue until we hold the government accountable.

**Berries** · 20th March 2012, 22:37

Originally Posted by mossy1200

People make comments about jandals and shorts as a popo wind up rather than say we should make an effort to lead by example and ride safe,be safe and act safe.

I said it because frankly I do not give a shit what some copper at the side of the road tells me about my riding gear. If I am legal I am legal. I will listen politely if the guy obviously has more riding experience than me but other than that they can talk to the hand. Gloved in ten thousand layers of kevlar enriched kangaroo hide, in hi-viz yellow of course, zipped to my quadruple stitched, reflectively piped one piece suit which has in built air bags, obviously, which must be what all the ATGATT proponents are wearing these days.

Swap the muesli bar for a hot dog and I might change my mind.

Honestly, does anyone think this is anything more than a check on rego due to the loss of income since the ACC increases? In two minutes at the side of the road what exactly are you going to be told that will change the way you ride or what gear you are going to wear? Nowt.

**Deano** · 20th March 2012, 22:42

Originally Posted by Nzpure

I think the point is simple. Its not about the cops revenue gathering, or any other bullshit complaint. My issue is simple, Its illegal according to the bill of rights to be detained without any reason. The bullshit about traffic lights is stupid, Theres a reason traffic lights stop you and its a valid one. To stop a motorist simply because they are on a motorbike is/should be illegal. Its because we ratify this ""initiative"" that it continues. The bill of rights is quite clear on this. But the government will continue this sort of thing until the people (Us) put a stop to it. As kiwi's however we will just roll over and take it, Thats what we will do as we always have. Its not the coppa's that are doing it, They have a job to do just like everyone else. It's the government, People will keep allowing it as they see it is a safety factor but as my mate Benny Franklin put it so well. Those who will give up their liberties for a little safety deserve neither.
The cops dont have a right to stop you for no reason. Its a breach of our rights, but will continue until we hold the government accountable.

the answer is simple then. Don't just roll over and take it. Challenge them through legal channels citing the bill of rights. Seriously, do it if you feel so strongly about it. I'm watching and waiting with baited breath...you'll be a hero to many if you win. Go on, do it.

**Nzpure** · 20th March 2012, 22:44

Originally Posted by Berries

I said it because frankly I do not give a shit what some copper at the side of the road tells me about my riding gear. If I am legal I am legal. I will listen politely if the guy obviously has more riding experience than me but other than that they can talk to the hand. Gloved in ten thousand layers of kevlar enriched kangaroo hide, in hi-viz yellow of course, zipped to my quadruple stitched, reflectively piped one piece suit which has in built air bags, obviously, which must be what all the ATGATT proponents are wearing these days.

Swap the muesli bar for a hot dog and I might change my mind.

Honestly, does anyone think this is anything more than a check on rego due to the loss of income since the ACC increases? In two minutes at the side of the road what exactly are you going to be told that will change the way you ride or what gear you are going to wear? Nowt.

Until they change the law, any clothes that make you decent are appropriate. All you required to wear is helmet and underwear.....speedo's even.

**Nzpure** · 20th March 2012, 22:46

Originally Posted by Deano

the answer is simple then. Don't just roll over and take it. Challenge them through legal channels citing the bill of rights. Seriously, do it if you feel so strongly about it. I'm watching and waiting with baited breath...you'll be a hero to many if you win. Go on, do it.

Hence why im going to Uni next year! Im gunna get all clued up in civil law and rights and i will!