Are the police starting to stumble in the right direction?

[Shadows]

Had a chat last week to a boss up north about this new thing. He said that the only thing they had a problem with was getting the Popos to use the warning system. There's a mindset that if you're not going to write someone a ticket, don't stop them.

Exactly. If it's worth pulling somebody over for then they probably deserve to be fucked over for it as well.

After all, in the time you spend arseing around just because some knobhead can't stay in his own lane or whatever a convoy of drunk, P-addled, burglarising rapists could have driven past.

[p.dath]

A warning helps fix the people who have a momentary lapse. The usually law abiding person who has a run in with the law and gets a fair cop - it reaffirms their perception of the cops.

If I have a momentary lapse and forget to indicate changing lanes; and knowing that a "momentary lapse" is not a cognitive decision - you don't decide to forget something - then how possible can a warning make any difference to the situation?

[Pixie]

How about fine people $150 for not indicating and use common sence when it comes to accidently exceeding limits by small amounts for short periods of time.People get fined for not indicating and they start to learn how to use them quickly.Theres no excuse because you dont accidently turn a corner at intersections.Drive the unmarked popo cars around town a bit more I say.

don't confuse him - he's a cop

speed kills
failure to indicate is not dangerous - tui

[Pixie]

If I have a momentary lapse and forget to indicate changing lanes; and knowing that a "momentary lapse" is not a cognitive decision - you don't decide to forget something - then how possible can a warning make any difference to the situation?

don't give me that "momentary lapse" bullshit.
If you are in the habit of driving correctly it is automatic.
Do you often fail to realise you are changing lanes or direction?

[p.dath]

don't give me that "momentary lapse" bullshit.
If you are in the habit of driving correctly it is automatic.
Do you often fail to realise you are changing lanes or direction?

The old "don't understand the point" problem so I'll attack the person. Yawn.

Pretty much we have two parts of the brain involved here, the top and the bottom. The top part (prefrontal cortex) is slow, and we use it for cognitive reasoning. The bottom part (cerebellum) is fast, but it can't reason - it only responds "instinctively" (mostly used for motor control).


So lets take your run of the mill lane change. More than likely, this process starts by being processed by the top of the brain - because you have to cognitiuvely evaluate the risks and the situation around you. Once you initiate the lane change the bottom of your brain can take over (it will turn the steering wheel for you, etc - general motor control).

Once you accept the process, you should notice the decision process can not be automatic (unless you make the change without regard for the situation around you - as in no thinking is required - then the bottom of the brain can take over straight away).

The top of the brain is always presented with more information than it can handle. Always. And as a result, it has to choose what to consider - what is important to the situation at hand. And I guess that is what you call your momentary lapse - the inability of the brain to recongise the situation around it and then to choose to respond by doing something simple like putting on your indicator. Instead the bottom of the brain kicks in, and simply attempts to do the automatic motor control bit.

Some people might be able to have the turning of the indicator on being controlled by the bottom of the brain as well - but it also means they will be stuck turning it on in the same situation without being able to think about it. So there are pros and cons.

[Max Preload]

don't give me that "momentary lapse" bullshit.
If you are in the habit of driving correctly it is automatic.

Exactly. I've even done it when I'm being chased!

[NZ_Blair]

I went on a "ride-along" with a highway patrol mate.

Driver asked if he could get a warning for the offence ...

and cop friend said "sure .... (dramatic pause) ... do it again, and I'll give you another ticket" FUNNY!

[caseye]

Bull shit,,,they could always give warnings,,,if they wanted to.
Just public relations,,nothing more.
Same old money gathering shit heads that hid behind mommys skirts an got picked on at school.
POPO ???,,,,,who's bright idea was it for put a pig on line using black gangsta slag to talk about himself ,,,,,get that idea from one of ya' new south african recruits did ya' boys

Always could and still do, has even happened to me.However I was reasonable and responded as I was spoken to and all was good, it is a two way street.
Yes another way of making us pay without getting us into court, but only if we get a warning first that was recorded and then get picked up doing the "same thing" again. It's a good start.
Our Police members are surely able/allowed to call themselves whatever they like, as if case you didn't know criminals can all them anything they like and it's no longer an offence, you scare to easily.
As for the Sarfies, well if we're getting some of them in the NZ Police it can't be all bad, good hard men mostly, as always a few spoil it for the rest.
In general this is a damn good idea our support, our show of support can only be read as a good thing, surely??

[Akzle]

...inform the ignorant that there is laws against holding people up, you must keep left unless overtaking etc laws people are unaware exist.

warn these types with a taser. infact, as concerned motorcycling 'citizens', this option should be open to us aswell.

speed kills

BULLSHIT

[rastuscat]

warn these types with a taser. infact, as concerned motorcycling 'citizens', this option should be open to us aswell.
BULLSHIT

89 GSX750. Nice bike. Crap attitude.

[rastuscat]

Dear Officer Scumdog,

Failure to comply will result in your suspension from the wednesday shared donut morning tea.

Regards
Mr Police Boss

Removing Scummie from the Wednesday morning donut sharing tea break is a cruel and unusual punishment, disproportionate to the offences committed.

Remove his clothes and make him run around Balclutha naked at 4 a.m..

DOH !! He already does that voluntarily.

Harumph !!

[98tls]

Bull shit,,,they could always give warnings,,,if they wanted to.
Just public relations,,nothing more.
Same old money gathering shit heads that hid behind mommys skirts an got picked on at school.

As opposed to what?cunts that hide behind a keyboard,worse still its probably your mother thats paying for it.

[BMWST?]

Fuck that. Hammer the cunts hard who run red lights.
That is a road safety issue.

agreed red light running is an accident that by pure luck and timing doesnt happen

[haydes55]

Under cover police motorbike will get thousands of dollars of ticket revenue for failing to give way, failing to indicate, dangerous driving etc. Should do it!

[steve_t]

Under cover police motorbike will get thousands of dollars of ticket revenue for failing to give way, failing to indicate, dangerous driving etc. Should do it!

They don't even need to be undercover!