Search and Surveillance Bill

[Zedder]

Yes. If you consider everything in context....

The Search and Surveillance Bill
The Food Bill - no selling food or seeds without a licence
NAIT - all livestock and their owners tracked from birth to slaughter
The proposals to end jury trials
The loss of the presumption of innocence
The loss of the right to remain sillent
The ability of the police to write search warrants themselves
The end of the requirement for a search warrant for most common searches
The end of financial privacy - all your transactions are now sent to baycorp, veda etc for evaluation and sale
If you are behind on fines you can't leave the country, and you will soon have your drivers licence canceled.

and you add in our new biometric ID card system with facial recognition built in right from the start...

Its all looking a bit grim.

I have attended select committee and made hundreds of submissions on these things, but I am often a lone voice. Only 3 people for example showed up to oppose the amendments to privacy laws that enable your bank, electricity company, etc etc to sell your personal expenditure details to baycorp and veda.

The NZTA opt out has been lost - NZTA never implemented it, and still sell your details (and your driver licence details as well) as no one bother opposing it.

NZers are sheep, and never complain. We just stand in the slaughterhouse queue bleating on KB about it.

That's a bit of a blanket statement regarding NZers being sheep etc Dave. How do you know people haven't made online submissions and emailed their MPS? Also, people have mentioned on here about protests they attended.

[pete376403]

Yes. If you consider everything in context....


and you add in our new biometric ID card system with facial recognition built in right from the start....

This might explain why NZ Post have spent a shitload of money installing cameras, computers and facial recognition software at post shops. Officially it is for passport photos, but the payback time for the whole setup if only for passports would be many years, if ever.
EOS Canon camera, motorised pole mounting for the camera, extra lights, motorized backdrop, a very nice printer, dedicated PC and some pretty flash software which connects back to a central database would not have come cheap.

[davereid]

This might explain why NZ Post have spent a shitload of money installing cameras, computers and facial recognition software at post shops. Officially it is for passport photos, but the payback time for the whole setup if only for passports would be many years, if ever.
EOS Canon camera, motorised pole mounting for the camera, extra lights, motorized backdrop, a very nice printer, dedicated PC and some pretty flash software which connects back to a central database would not have come cheap.

Yes

NZ Post are the contractors, who will be delivering the service. Its being put together by the D.I.A. Dept of Internal Affairs.

The electronic identity verification bill is the relevant legisation.

It will be voluntary unless you want to interact with government.

The DIAs website says "Future igovt services will look at making this information available for you to present to other government service providers when you need to. This may be your entitlement to benefits, or your rights to drive a car, for example."

So, by the back door it will be compulsory.

[F5 Dave]

And just to add to the mess....



Now the agenda is clear - NZ wants to outdo the USA in imprisonment rates.........

Statistics. but imprisonment rates can mean several things. Having a small population can skew all sorts of statistics. If one had a ineffective Police force & toothless judicial system, you could have a low imprisonment rate. People could be so disillusioned they don't report 1/2 the crime as no one ever gets caught. Making any statistical analogy one has to make an analysis of the base data before commencing & deciding whether to proceed with that data.

Unless of course if your purpose is to prove a pre-decided point, or you are very stupid. I'm never sure with govt dept which way this leans, but I have for example heard of a Minister rejecting a govt depts findings & asking for new data that shows xxx. Yes Minister.

[MSTRS:Me]

Unless of course if your purpose is to prove a pre-decided point, or you are very stupid. I'm never sure with govt dept which way this leans, but I have for example heard of a Minister rejecting a govt depts findings & asking for new data that shows xxx. Yes Minister.

Surely not? None of the paragons of truth and scrupulous ethics, sitting in the Beehive by virtue of the people putting them there, would do such a thing. Would they?

[oneofsix]

Aussie bans Huawei from NTN network, their equivalent of UFB.
However they are welcome in NZ to bid on the UFB network. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/2...curity-threats

NZ Minister will not give details on Huawei vetting

Mr Key said issues about Huawei had been raised and considered.

Communications and Information Technology Minister Amy Adams confirmed today that security threats had been raised in the process of doing the broadband contracts, but would not comment on which companies those related to, or what steps had been taken to ensure security.

NZ Search and Surveillance Bill passed.

Crown Fibre owns UFB.

Nah, I don't believe in conspiracies.

When does UFB reach Waihopai and Tangimoana?

[SPman]

Statistics. but imprisonment rates can mean several things

True. Statistics by themselves can mean many things. It's the way they trend that provides more meaning. I think the figures are NZ 198/100,000 population, USA 795/100,000 population., so, there's still a ways to go.....but, imprisonment rates are indicative of the state of a society, in regards to jobs, equality, social justice, poverty, corruption, etc, etc.......when the figures are trending up, you know you've got problems. Not reporting crime is also symptomatic of those problems - if you have so little faith in the police force and the legal system that you think it's all a waste of time reporting crime, that's a worry in itself....

[Usarka]

What if the cops suspect that the reason all you posters are against this bill is because you have something to hide?

[MSTRS:Me]

Which party is against it? And can they be trusted to shitcan it if they get elected next time?

[oneofsix]

Which party is against it? And can they be trusted to shitcan it if they get elected next time?

did you think about that before you posted? Kb right. Trust a politician's promise You might be able to trust the Greens or Maoris to shit can it given the affect the 'raids' had on there voters.

[Usarka]

It did have a huge effect on their voters. Imagine sitting around stoned off your tree and all these cops turn up with guns. Bad trip man.

[Scuba_Steve]

What if the cops suspect that the reason all you posters are against this bill is because you have something to hide?

then they'll start surveilling us, looking for something & when all else fails they'll just plant something

[MSTRS:Me]

did you think about that before you posted? Kb right. Trust a politician's promise You might be able to trust the Greens or Maoris to shit can it given the affect the 'raids' had on there voters.

The lack of a sarcasm smilie is problematical for some...
But it would be nice to think that there are still *some* with the ethics and balls to kick this bill in the nads.

[oneofsix]

then they'll start surveilling us, looking for something & when all else fails they'll just plant something

Nothing to worry about then, you are a dirty scumbag motorcyclist so you have to be up to no good and you most likely wont have a rego so that alone will give them the right to raid your place No change to the way it was then.

[oneofsix]

The lack of a sarcasm smilie is problematical for some...
But it would be nice to think that there are still *some* with the ethics and balls to kick this bill in the nads.

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