ACC is looking for providers for their "National Motorcycle Training Programme"

[DidJit]

California Superbike School already has the programme. ...

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... people learn by doing not hearing.

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[steve_t]

Free CSS training? Keen!

I see ACC are piloting "preventative' programmes like paying for people's decks to be sprayed for moss annually . Hopefully, someone will suggest some of that preventative strategy money goes toward providing bikers with free training

[p.dath]

I wonder if they realise we already have a nationally developed standardised NZQA approved motorcycle courses - unused.

I don't see the point in paying to develop something the tax payer has already paid to do.

[scracha]

Free CSS training? Keen!

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road.

[steve_t]

I wonder if they realise we already have a nationally developed standardised NZQA approved motorcycle courses - unused.

I don't see th epoint in paying to develope something the tax payer was already paid to do.

Does NZQA still exist?

[Gremlin]

For those wanting training, but put off by the cost... consider IAM: http://www.nz-iam.org.nz/

[DidJit]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road.

It most definitely is. I use the techniques taught at CSS everyday. Even on my commute up and down the motorway.

[Conquiztador]

Hmmm... Not sure what this does in "Survival Skills"??? This was all about informing the people who do not get the Government Tenders about this opportunity to perhaps complete the documentation and have a chance of starting/expanding their business.

But what do I know, I am not a chosen one.

[Qkchk:Me]

Have to hold a class 6 Instructor endorsement. Most likely all the existing companies (Riderskills, Roadcraft School of Motoring, Qkchk's in Auckland to name a few) will be what ACC is looking for, and would make the most sense.

"Qkchk's Ridertraining.co.nz

[Devil]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road.

CSS do customised courses around the world - for the US military as an example.

[R-Soul]

Or they could simply allow us to get more practice in........perhaps free track time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29

You can't teach riding, you can only learn it, people learn by doing not hearing.

yeh and nah

If you learn why you are doing it, and understand the principles, you will learn faster when actually doing it in practice.

also it helps to have those principles be correct and from peopel that know what they are doing, as opposed to much of the "advice" given on this site.

[avgas]

yeh and nah

If you learn why you are doing it, and understand the principles, you will learn faster when actually doing it in practice.

also it helps to have those principles be correct and from peopel that know what they are doing, as opposed to much of the "advice" given on this site.

Often those who know what they are doing are the last to speak. Or in many cases - the last to stick their hands up and train others. Many of them have learnt it from doing more than listening.
Not saying that all advice is useless - just 90% of it.
Life is all talk until something happens.

[R-Soul]

Yeah...cos the CSS training would be sooooo useful on the road.

Hell yes it would - remember most bike accidents occur with one vehicle (the bike) going off on a corner... about 45% of bike accidents in fact.

If the govt could get a subsidised course for all four levels of the CSS courses for $1000, and negate that 45% down to 10% or lower, they would be SAVING money.
Remember its not just the money that the government pays on ACC to rehabilitate that rider (easily into the $100k per rider with serious injuries), and to pay money to the rider or income lost due to teh accident (easily more $100k's) but you also have to measure the socioeconomic effect - what happens to a family (especially kids) when a breadwinner is missing, the loss of productivity in the economy (and tax loss) from that breadwinner, knowledge drain, etc.

CSS teaches you how to corner properly, overcoming bad survival reactions, good cornering lines, good body positioning, what the bike is really capable of, and also after you have ridden on a track, you just feel less inclined to push your luck on the road (because you know what the bike can do, rather than trying to find out what it can do). If CSS was slightly modified to inlcude advanced road riding techniques, it would be great!

The government would score big time in the long run by providing free CSS-type courses and if they managed to get that 45% down to a negligble amount.

[Gremlin]

R-Soul, you're only somewhat correct.

Some of the principles taught on the track are actually the opposite of the skills taught in advanced road riding.

CSS and other track day tuition do allow you to get comfortable with your and your bike's abilities in a safe environment, but do nothing to teach hazard observation in the normal road environment, cornering lines are not the same and your body position on the bike will vary as well.

[pritch]

Will make a mockery of the whole thing.

ACC specialise in making a mockery of things. Be afraid, be very afraid.