100 bhp is all I need debate - again

[Ender EnZed]

Its only 175hp if you ride around at 9800rpm though

That's a good point actually. It'd be interesting to see some data for power-being-used in real world riding of big bikes.

[tigertim20]

Visordown

Well its all I need but then I don't do track and then there's that V4 torque curve i wouldn't do without.
Be interested in what track folk think.

the 100 bhp debate annoys me.
for one, who's to say what I Need?

secondly, what does 'need' have to do with it?
by the time you account for late model cars and their excellent economy, the higher rate of rego, the generally higher cost of tyres and servicing on bikes, you could argue that nobody needs abike, period. plus a car would be more practical.

You dont need to fuck your missus every night either - once or twice a month at the right part of the cycle should be sufficient for getting her pregnant.
say goodbye to blowjobs too if 'need' is the only factor, and you can forget about banging her up the arse.

Need is irrelevant. you want what you want - everyone is different, these poeple should fuck off and ride instead of pissing on about what they think everyone else needs

as for racing, well there are parity based classes out there where you have to go as fast as you can within a very restrictive set of rules, but i dont see a 100hp bike ever being competitive with a moto gp bike at phillip island . ..

[Nzpure]

the 100 bhp debate annoys me.
for one, who's to say what I Need?

secondly, what does 'need' have to do with it?
by the time you account for late model cars and their excellent economy, the higher rate of rego, the generally higher cost of tyres and servicing on bikes, you could argue that nobody needs abike, period. plus a car would be more practical.

You dont need to fuck your missus every night either - once or twice a month at the right part of the cycle should be sufficient for getting her pregnant.
say goodbye to blowjobs too if 'need' is the only factor, and you can forget about banging her up the arse.

Need is irrelevant. you want what you want - everyone is different, these poeple should fuck off and ride instead of pissing on about what they think everyone else needs

as for racing, well there are parity based classes out there where you have to go as fast as you can within a very restrictive set of rules, but i dont see a 100hp bike ever being competitive with a moto gp bike at phillip island . ..

What if said bike weighed around 50kgs then 100bhp would be crazy! 2hp per kilo now thats a power to weight ratio...dreams are free eh!

[FJRider]

I have lived in countries that have a "registration" (called road tax) scheme ... that is based on engine capacity. The larger the engine ... the more you pay. Peoples attitude on what they need changes rapidly.

[blackdog]

What if said bike weighed around 50kgs then 100bhp would be crazy! 2hp per kilo now thats a power to weight ratio...dreams are free eh!

Your ratio is wrong. It will weigh circa 150kg with a body on it.

As for restricting what I ride, fucking try and stop me.

[Asher]

If governments let us use only what we needed and not what we wanted we would have very boring lives and our economy would sure suffer for it.


What you ride has very little to do with your survival, its all about how you ride it.

[CHOPPA]

The more HP you have the more fun, you dont have to go fast to feel the power

[Ender EnZed]

you dont have to go fast to feel the power

You kind of do when the best of it is at 150km/h in first.

[mossy1200]

The more curry you have the more fun, you dont have to eat fast to feel the power

Fixed that for you.

[GrayWolf]

That's a good point actually. It'd be interesting to see some data for power-being-used in real world riding of big bikes.

most sport tourers like the FJ, Concours, Bandit, or the naked's like FJX1300, GSX1400 etc are all high torque 'lower top end HP' bikes
My ZZR is substantially faster then the FJ or the MT... however in 'real world' performance? 80-130k roll on in top gear? the FJ pulls stronger than the Zed, the bandit has bloody good torque. The MT at real world riding speeds, (not thrashing it for fun speeds) is as quick/quicker up the wainui hill than the other 2... The zed doesnt produce 'real power' till 6k rpm the FJ begins at about 3.5k rpm (torque) and the MT at 2.25, full torque at 3.75k rpm
HP gives you top end speed, torque gives you acceleration (tractive power against weight)

[Nzpure]

Your ratio is wrong. It will weigh circa 150kg with a body on it.

As for restricting what I ride, fucking try and stop me.

what if a really light midget was riding it?

[Nzpure]

most sport tourers like the FJ, Concours, Bandit, or the naked's like FJX1300, GSX1400 etc are all high torque 'lower top end HP' bikes
My ZZR is substantially faster then the FJ or the MT... however in 'real world' performance? 80-130k roll on in top gear? the FJ pulls stronger than the Zed, the bandit has bloody good torque. The MT at real world riding speeds, (not thrashing it for fun speeds) is as quick/quicker up the wainui hill than the other 2... The zed doesnt produce 'real power' till 6k rpm the FJ begins at about 3.5k rpm (torque) and the MT at 2.25, full torque at 3.75k rpm
HP gives you top end speed, torque gives you acceleration (tractive power against weight)

I'm willing to bet the busa pulls harder at all revs then those bikes
My harley had good torque the busa has ZOMG my arms are being pulled from their sockets power and im only talking about 0-100

[Nzpure]

I'm willing to bet the busa pulls harder at all revs then those bikes
My harley had good torque the busa has ZOMG my arms are being pulled from their sockets power and im only talking about 0-100

actually under 4k rpm its really tame ignore that.

[ducatilover]

I suppose my slightly over 100hp bike is okay. Wouldn't mind another 300hp though.

If we are having that retarded argument, my GN250 is all I "need"

[GrayWolf]

I'm willing to bet the busa pulls harder at all revs then those bikes
My harley had good torque the busa has ZOMG my arms are being pulled from their sockets power and im only talking about 0-100

actually under 4k rpm its really tame ignore that.

ZRX1400... same torque as the MT-01..... 110ft lbs
FJR1300... 100ft lbs of torque not bad for a decade old bike.... Hayabusa..94ft lbs of torque <<<<---------- but shitloads more HP
V max 123ft lbs...... B king 108ft lbs