Mini-motard for bucket racing?

[TZ350]

They should have let four strokes run methanol while they were at it

And Strokers too, my engine would just love a bit of Methanol .......

I recon I could crack 40rwhp with it and have a real tractor of a power curve, simulated it a few times just to amuse myself.

Its all to do with the latent heat of evaporation and charge cooling, and sure the engine would run cooler too. Been thinking of trying to emulate it with a little water and window cleaner to help the water atomize. Its on the list of things to try.

[mossy1200]

But I have seen numerous LEGAL and potentially COMPETITIVE FXR150's for sale on Tardme for not much more than a grand.

My answer was in context with what would you do if Glen Williams entered.Im sure i could get a fxr for 1200- 1500 which is 700-900 more than what I want to spend for a B grade bike seeing as my 6foot 5 body doesnt fit to well on one unless very modified.
i dont want to change your rules but I dont understand why one motor gets the nod and the next doesnt. Would it not be easier to have a list of accepted engines and anything not on that list be open to review.

[Kickaha]

And Strokers too, my engine would just love a bit of Methanol .......

I recon I could crack 40rwhp with it and have a real tractor of a power curve, simulated it a few times just to amuse myself.

Its all to do with the latent heat of evaporation and charge cooling, and sure the engine would run cooler too. Been thinking of trying to emulate it with a little water and window cleaner to help the water atomize. Its on the list of things to try.

Have you thought of trying a thermal dispersant?

No point in giving metanol to two strokes when they already have a power advantage, I think they were specifically excluded from running it after someone was killed on a two stroke running it
Was it Cal Rayborn at Puke?

[speedpro]

His engine had a hole to the outside world. Even on petrol it probably would have seized. Very convenient excuse to ban methanol.

Years ago I tried having conversations with various MNZ types and got absolutely nowhere. It was dangerous, that was the end of it, no correspondance would be entered into. My McIntosh loved it.

It's actually harder to light than petrol, less volatile, so is actually safer. You do NOT want to run it lean though, things will get scorched. You can however run it something like 30% rich with little effect on power so there is no real excuse for getting into a lean condition, unless you're running a blown alcohol drag car with pyros and need EVERY last hp.

[Buddha#81:Me]

This bucket was sold for $1200 last week, another 150 for tyres and its done, legal and capable of running up near front

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fark $1200 was a bargan......which welly guy has scored a gp winning weapon?

[Yow Ling]

Heres a nice wee motard thats ok for buckets

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/browse...34546&pageno=2

[mossy1200]

Heres a nice wee motard thats ok for buckets

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/browse...34546&pageno=2

looks good but 14inch wheels and idd have trouble getting all 6foot5 of me on that. Its a bit physically small.

[TZ350]

I think they were specifically excluded from running it after someone was killed on a two stroke running it. Was it Cal Rayborn at Puke?

Yes Cal Rayborn, given what went wrong, it could easily have happened whatever the bike was running on. The incident probably says more about the dangers of riding someone else’s bike than alcohol fuel.

[avgas]

Heres a nice wee motard thats ok for buckets
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/browse...34546&pageno=2

Well you couldn't ride a 125 2 stroke in buckets back then, just 100s & TF & TS were std fare. They were tamely ported & reliable for many road miles as well as carting a sheep over the back paddocks for whatever farmers did to sheep in back paddocks.


Have a look inside a TM or early RM engine (& I have) & they are considerably different, even if you can fit a TM barrel on the top of an early (pre reed) TS. They were built for competition & didn't last like a road/play engine.

I mean the concept is quite simple. They wanted to exclude MX engines as it would become a little Johnny gets a MX80 & slots it into a chassis & makes all the TS's & MB100s obsolete, so then someone else buys this years MX & so on. Clearly they thought oh well bettter exclude enduro, & kart engines for the same reason. + those hot up racing kits made for commuter bikes for the Asian racing market that the Airforce boys could get their hands on. The concept is still valid. the rules haven't changed.

Hmmmmm interesting. I will take your word for it. It possible that what I was seeing those many moons ago was not people on the edge of the rules but those who could not get close to them.
Once again, sad really - as it means that my first suspicion was right - and it has turned into the Bucket GP (due to riders budgets) rather than the ride a basket (bucket-of-bolts......where the name comes from) I remember.

But alas off topic.

So just to clear this up then. Should the OP's bike been of slightly more road origin (aka lights and rego) it would have been legit?
Meaning under the current rules you could race a TF125 mudbug? (note to the op some of these go for as little as few hundred.......but you would have to change the sprockets)

And you can put a hot up kit on your bike provided its not from an the original bike or a race bike?

How long until there is an out of the box pre-prepped race bike to race in this class (similar to the Harley Dragster thing a while ago)?
So would these be allowed? I mean surely these should be if a modded FXR or RG is????

[jasonu]

i dont want to change your rules but I dont understand why one motor gets the nod and the next doesnt. Would it not be easier to have a list of accepted engines and anything not on that list be open to review.

Ask the MNZ to research it and come up with an appropriate list

[TZ350]

Once again, sad really - as it means that my first suspicion was right - and it has turned into the Bucket GP (due to riders budgets) ......

You overlooked Tuning and Engineering skill ...... and its importance is definitely ahead of the Budget just like it has always been.

And more so in this class than any other with the possible exception of Classics and maybe Sidecars.

[Bert]

Ask the MNZ to research it and come up with an appropriate list

Here's a really good list as a starting point (down the page after the fundamental rules of bucket racing)
(not an MNZ list of course but has been done by someone on the inside of bucket racing; to provide some guidance/clarity on the situation).

http://www.bucketracing.co.nz/bucketlist.php

[avgas]

You overlooked Tuning and Engineering skill ...... and its importance is definitely ahead of the Budget just like it has always been.
And more so in this class than any other with the possible exception of Classics and maybe Sidecars.

Your 100% correct.
Why call it buckets anymore?

[F5 Dave]

. . .
Once again, sad really - as it means that my first suspicion was right - and it has turned into the Bucket GP (due to riders budgets) rather than the ride a basket (bucket-of-bolts......where the name comes from) I remember.
. . .

No, -you're the one who is sad. This is a class for racers who want to have fun at a reasonable cost, not people who moan from the sideline & proclaim that it is:. . . [wait for it] against the spirit of bucket racing - usually proclaimed by someone who finds that very cheap racing is still more than he wants to spend & would therefore bitch & moan & tell everybody about it until everyone gets brain damage.

I would therefore offer that you might find a sport like lawn bowls & let the rest of us continue having a bloody good time riding motorbikes as we have been doing for quite some years.

[avgas]

No, -you're the one who is sad

I am. Hence my point. Why call it buckets anymore?

I would therefore offer that you might find a sport like lawn bowls

Nah I am thinking more sand sprints.
I have plenty of bikes already - just need a set of knoblys and I am good to go. Get my arse kicked, but have a shit load of fun.