Are these bikes any good?

[Subike]

Don't buy anything chinese.

Explain why Please

[Sable]

Explain why Please

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes.

[Jay GTI]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes.

So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

[Subike]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes.

Yeah guess I am defensive, cause I own one,
but I;m not critical of your opinion per say.
Agree that the quality of build is not on par with more well known manufactures.
But knowing what faults have appeared in other bikes, might just give me the knowledge need to avoid it happening to mine.
If for instance , if its common to find that the clutch springs loose their tension after 10k,
then when the clutch starts slipping I know why, and can service that, not just think it needs adjustment which would do nougat.
So the fork seals don't take to wet weather well, and frosts harden the seals thus they leak.....
or the electrical connections tend to vibrate loose, or the lack of spring washers on mounting bots mean they loosen.....
I know that surface rusting of parts is a problem, cleaning and garaging might reduce this..

So asking you to explain why, is seeking information for preventative maintenance.

Somethings are only crap because they are bought because of their price, and the owner does not have the budget to maintain them
thus they fall apart and get an undeserved reputation.

The Skoda cars of the 80"s are a perfect example of this, cheap to buy, and fell apart often, only because they were not maintained,
not because of build or design quality, when in fact they were the world leaders in the 1100cc class of Rallying.

[Sable]

So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

Expert? Every product? Nay. I know very little about their agriculture for example. But I haven't seen a single good vehicle come out of there. I'd buy an old XR250 with more faith. The other guy was easy to pick, but why are you so hostile? He has a Chinese bike, do you have a Chinese boyfriend?

[t595]

Expert? Every product? Nay. I know very little about their agriculture for example. But I haven't seen a single good vehicle come out of there. I'd buy an old XR250 with more faith. The other guy was easy to pick, but why are you so hostile? He has a Chinese bike, do you have a Chinese boyfriend?

Nice!

[YellowDog]

Don't buy anything chinese.

What about Chop Suey or Spleshal Flied Lice ?

[barty5]

the point is that most of these guts that bring in the Chinese bikes bring in a container or 2 hardly stock any parts they buy them supper cheap make a quick buck and shift on to the next product. Your left with a bike that will break down and odds are you wont be able to find any parts.
What i do know about the Chinese bikes (having had Vmoto rent some space from me ) is that they for instance have a huge factory that make all sorts a bikes they churn them out real fast ie they whole supply for Vmoto for a year supplying Aussie, NZ the US and couple of other place are all made in just over a week then they just wack other brand labels on them and keep going. we where getting a complete crank for $25 nz for a 59cc scooter that just shows how cheap the stuff is made. bearings etc where not brand labelled and felt worn before you even fitted them.

[Virk]

Thanks for the info

I am looking at buying 2008/2009 keeway cruiser, done abt 2200 k.

looked gud and test drive went well. I will only be using it for going to work (50km per day) to start with.

Virk

[cave weta]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit. Best example was one that chucked a rod 20km from new. Chinese GNs are of inferior quality to Japanese GNs. And the guy earlier in this thread who told a tale of his retard acquaintance buying a Chinese dirtbike, crashing it and having the camchain jam? Are you on the defensive because you ride a Keeway? They're pretty crap too. Source? Worked at a shop that specializes primarily in scooters and small bikes.

Key words to keep in mind here: past tense- his experience with Chinese bikes WAS crap. Things have changed very quickly, Im currently involved with importing and selling Chinese bikes. I would not be doing it if I were not prepared to stand behind them. much less ride them myself. There is still some crap available-Buy a chinese bike from an existing dealer and you are onto a winner in my opinion. Low price + decent backup and experience.

Buy one from the Warehouse or any other importer that sells a whole range of stuff from dollygirl lingerie funsuits to chainsaws and pipe benders and what do you expect!

So I take it you've seen this bike in person then? The Forza as well? Or are you just another brainless numbnut that thinks that having seen some of what China produces means they're an expert in every product from that country?

Anyone who has ridden the Forza full size 230f and the 230f PRO comes away full of praise. Ive now sold 22 of them and whilst there has been one or two things that had to be dealt with, none of the owners have had problems. frame paint is a very tough 2 pack finish and most other parts are alloy, the electrics are solid and the levers and pegs are really top quality. Alloy rims and fat taper bars are taking the same terrain that my KTM coped well with.

the point is that most of these guys that bring in the Chinese bikes bring in a container or 2 hardly stock any parts they buy them super cheap make a quick buck and shift on to the next product. Your left with a bike that will break down and odds are you wont be able to find any parts.
What i do know about the Chinese bikes (having had Vmoto rent some space from me ) is that they for instance have a huge factory that make all sorts a bikes they churn them out real fast ie they whole supply for Vmoto for a year supplying Aussie, NZ the US and couple of other place are all made in just over a week then they just wack other brand labels on them and keep going. we where getting a complete crank for $25 nz for a 59cc scooter that just shows how cheap the stuff is made. bearings etc where not brand labelled and felt worn before you even fitted them.

Yeah - what he said! listen to Barty- he has summed up the Chinese Import Bike industry is like currently.
And it's not just for the private importers...... these same factories knock out all the Japanese bikes under NZ$8,000. all the commuter bikes, farm bikes, childrens bikes and quads, are made in these factories. They finish a run of Honda CRF70s and just start on ForzaFMX70. DRz 110 and KLX110 and PitsterproXJR110 are all virtually the same bike. KawaKLX400/ SuzukiDRz400- etcetera etcetera! Its just a huge melting pot with all the bits coming together wherever the labour is cheapest!

Here is a link to the Chinese factory that makes the Suzukis http://wonjan.en.alibaba.com/ and here is a us$1000 Honda CRF250x- or is it?- http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/53...Dirt_Bike.html

[scott411]

. DRz 110 and KLX110 and PitsterproXJR110 are all the same bike. KawaKLX400/ SuzukiDRz400- etcetera etcetera!

Please change this now, the KLX110 (and DRZ110 when it was sold) are made in Thailand by the kawasaki owned factory, it is not the same as a Pitstar pro,

the Suzuki DRZ400 was and still is made in Japan,

[cave weta]

Please change this now, the KLX110 (and DRZ110 when it was sold) are made in Thailand by the kawasaki owned factory, it is not the same as a Pitstar pro,

the Suzuki DRZ400 was and still is made in Japan,

Interesting... as the PitsterPros are made in Taiwan too. Ill be at the importers on Thursday- time to ask more questions...

Wording changed

[avgas]

Explain why? Every single Chinese made scooter I have ever seen has been an absolute piece of rusting shit.

In there defense. Its very rare to see an Italian scooter....let alone one running.

[motor_mayhem]

In there defense. Its very rare to see an Italian scooter....let alone one running.

The Dog and Lemon guide says of Italian cars "If you can't afford to buy a new one, you certainly can't afford to keep a second hand one going"

Unfortunately the reputation of chinese manufacturers in general is not helped by the likes of Chery and Great Wall having to recall a number of vehicles (23,000) due to asbestos in the engine and exhaust gaskets

[ktm84mxc]

There's a big difference in being made in a country and being made to a manufactures specs eg Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki etc
Taiwan is a fair way from Thailand, Taiwan is the land of the scooter, Thailand has a large history of producing cars, motorbikes,trucks.
China produced a bolt by bolt replica of a Boeing 707 passenger jet in the late 60's , doubt a motorbike would be a problem to them.
There are fine bikes produced in China it 's just a case of sorting the pearls from the lemons.