REVIEW: Fairing Solutions (www.fairingsolutions.co.nz) 6/10

[Katman]

Twas a time when your beloved Katana was a piece of asian shit because it wasnt built from a place more recognized.

No, by the time my bike was built the Japanese were recognised as the best in the world at manufacturing motorcycles.

Yes, Japan's rebuilding after the war was carried out under the cloud of worldwide condemnation of "Jap crap". They realised that they weren't going to get anywhere by continuing to produce crap and set about improving their product.

Luckily for the Chinese, their introduction to the worldwide market comes at a time when many societies are blinded by 'cheap'.

The more people that condemn it as "Chinese shit", the sooner they'll wake up and realise that the best way forward doesn't lie in fast profit from sub-standard product.

[Katman]

And take note, I'm not talking about overseas companies having their product manufactured in Chinese factories, I'm talking specifically about Chinese manufacturers.

Quality control is a foreign concept to them.

[tigertim20]

And take note, I'm not talking about overseas companies having their product manufactured in Chinese factories, I'm talking specifically about Chinese manufacturers.

Quality control is a foreign concept to them.

no it isnt, often the very same factory produces both parts for foreign companies, as well as their own cheaper version.
the foreign customer defines a particular spec, and their own version is different - plus they save by copying/using the exact same tooling in some cases

[Kickaha]

no it isnt, often the very same factory produces both parts for foreign companies, as well as their own cheaper version.
the foreign customer defines a particular spec, and their own version is different - plus they save by copying/using the exact same tooling in some cases

Their own version is normally crap, without having your own people in place doing the quality control you're normally wasting your time getting anything made there

[Pussy]

Yes, Japan's rebuilding after the war was carried out under the cloud of worldwide condemnation of "Jap crap". They realised that they weren't going to get anywhere by continuing to produce crap and set about improving their product.

Dead right! I remember many years ago people shying away from products with "Made in Japan" written on them.
Nowadays, I just about WON'T buy something unless it HAS got "Made in Japan" on it!

[tigertim20]

Their own version is normally crap, without having your own people in place doing the quality control you're normally wasting your time getting anything made there

that comment would have carried far more truth a few years ago, but their stuff is getting better.
Its all very well to make comments about some of the stuff coming out of china, but the same can be said of goods produced an any other country, they all have examples of good vs shit.
I agree theres plenty of shit coming from china, there is also however, a growing number of good quality items being produced there too.

Yank companies want stuff, they do all the design, and decide on specs, the ring the chinks and say hey, make us this. The chinese make it, then send it all the way to the USA where it then gets distributed blah blah.

The chinese then say, fuckit, make some of our own using the info already supplied, and using the same tooling etc, theyve cut a huge amount of R and D costs by copying, and saved more by using the same tooling in the same factory, and sell direct from factories saving on shipping stuff back and forth.
All those opportunities to save costs get passed on to the buyer so the lower price doesnt always automatically mean the item is shit.
They are learning, and the quality is improving.

Im curious though, in the last two years, how many times have you personally purchased, used, and tested a 'good' item, and a similar or same item from china, Ive spent a shiteload on various bits and pieces for multiple bikes in the last couple years with lots of rebuilds and projects going on, and my personal experience has shown that, provided you are careful and do some checks to see exactly where the item has come from, you can save a shit load of money, and get items that are at least equal quality to the rest of the world from china.

[Pussy]

I'd still think twice about buying milk powder from China.....

[tigertim20]

Their own version is normally crap, without having your own people in place doing the quality control you're normally wasting your time getting anything made there

I'd still think twice about buying milk powder from China.....

the man has an irrefutable point here

[Zedder]

I'd still think twice about buying milk powder from China.....

Interestingly enough, the Sanlu milk scandal has been a catalyst for changes in Chinese attitude toward quality assurance.

Things would have been vastly different if, like Japan in the 1950s, they had the benefit of someone like Dr Edward Demming driving the entire process with Government support early on. It took Japan losing World War 2 to make that happen though.

[Katman]

The chinese then say, fuckit, make some of our own using the info already supplied, and using the same tooling etc, theyve cut a huge amount of R and D costs by copying, and saved more by using the same tooling in the same factory, and sell direct from factories saving on shipping stuff back and forth.

You forgot the fact that they generally choose to use the lowest quality raw materials.

[nzspokes]

no it isnt, often the very same factory produces both parts for foreign companies, as well as their own cheaper version.
the foreign customer defines a particular spec, and their own version is different - plus they save by copying/using the exact same tooling in some cases

Agreed. We see the same product now thats made in China which is being sold with multiple brand names on it. On it all good product for the most part. But getting anything made in Japan now is next to impossible due to lack of factory time available.

We also get a lot of product out of Taiwan and the quality is awesome.

[nzspokes]

the man has an irrefutable point here

Yes fair call.