Alison Mau - social activist, or attention whore?

[HenryDorsetCase]

and then it was in the eyes of god, and then it was for social convention, and then it was to signify commitment, and then it was a law etc.... what was it before the tribes decided what it should be? and the confidence that they were killing to feed their own is absolutely nuts as that's absolutely no guarantee at all really is it. Today marriage means absolutely nothing, to some, but it is used to stop people from doing things that they're not allowed to do because social convention says so. It's ok to have 3 or 4 girlfriends even if they know about each other, but marry more than 1 woman and you face jail. Madness gone mad.

fine in theory, but some of us have problems with one wimminz. I couldnt think of anything worse thant two or more getting on my case at a time.

I suppose I could tell them to go and amuse themselves by tilling my fields or miliking my cows, or raising my children. We are talking about a patriarchy, yes?

[Oakie]

What guys don't get and it took me the experience of two female colleagues going 'the other way' (separately ... a couple of years apart) is that they do it for emotional reasons, not sexual. They don't decide 'I wonder what vagina tastes like' and go find a woman. They come across someone who is a soul-mate and then have to adapt to the physical side. I now know three women work colleagues who have done this. On all occasions they were in existing straight relationships which were not warm or nurturing.

Of course it could just be that after working with me, no other man meets the grade ... or I've put them right off men.

[Clockwork]

Biological imperatives. If you don't protect your gene pool it evaporates. This operates across all animals.

Some species such as humans cooperate and form communities on the basis of strength in numbers, so contributing to the wider group benefits the individual.

Also..... back in the day when feeding your family frequently meant risking your life, I guess it would be pretty important to know that it was your family you were feeding.

[Edbear]

Lots of generalisations in this thread, and "open-minded" posts.

Not too many seem to be posting about how they personally feel with their own family, though. I've been married near 35years, (Oct.), and have three grown up children and two grandchildren. We are a very close nit family and woe betide anyone who would seek to butt in and suggest we should be more "open" in our relationships.

People tend by nature to be very protective of their families and their family status in the community.

The reason for the way society is today is generally due to peple wanting to be promiscuous which leads to marriage and relationships breaking up, short term relationships which all too often bring children into the world where they have no stability and people becoming blase about moving from one relationship to another either without regard to the long term benefits of a stable marriage or in a forlorn hope of finding that perfect man or woman when their life will be happy ever after.

[slofox]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with muff-munching...

[MisterD]

The reason for the way society is today is generally due to peple wanting to be promiscuous

You're being waay too narrow. The reasons for the way society is today are people expecting to get stuff without effort, and being unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions.

[Edbear]

You're being waay too narrow. The reasons for the way society is today are people expecting to get stuff without effort, and being unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions.

That too!

I have found the perfect woman, it's only taken 30+ years of understanding, growing, learning and sincere effort on both our parts, but we actually love and like each other and are happy to spend any amount of time together.

Our kids are embarrassed at times and amused at other times to see how we treat each other. We're like newlyweds, still.

[Brian d marge]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with muff-munching...

me neither ,infact I have qute a few videos in my collection!

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

What guys don't get and it took me the experience of two female colleagues going 'the other way' (separately ... a couple of years apart) is that they do it for emotional reasons, not sexual. They don't decide 'I wonder what vagina tastes like' and go find a woman. They come across someone who is a soul-mate and then have to adapt to the physical side. I now know three women work colleagues who have done this. On all occasions they were in existing straight relationships which were not warm or nurturing.

Of course it could just be that after working with me, no other man meets the grade ... or I've put them right off men.

Women are strange sometimes

Stephen

[slowpoke]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/lo...s-to-chill-out

Television presenter Ali Mau wants homophobic Kiwis to wake up.

...

The Fair Go presenter came out in 2010 about her relationship with Karleen Edmonds.

Despite being forced to come out before she was ready, Mau said she was sure enough of herself to trust her feelings.

"It was a bit of a surprise, but it's not something I had a deep moral wrestle with. I just thought, 'I am really into this person.' It didn't matter what gender she was."

Riiiight.

Female sexuality is often fluid. Ms Mau was with a man before this partner and may well be with a man again for her next one. If I was a gay man I'd suspect her of taking something intrinsic to my identity, something personal and sacred, and using it as an assumed badge of coolness.

What a load of shite. For a start she was forced to come out about the relationaship, how does that make her an "attention whore"? And what, just because someone else is in a same sex relationship, she's not allowed to be? You don't own a circumstance....it just is.

Is Ali M just stroking her ego by identifying herself with a hip social trend? Does her dilettantish dalliance with muff-diving and smug acceptance of the spotlight diminish the struggle for acceptance by genuinely homosexual people who've been persecuted by Western society for hundreds of years?

"Smug acceptance of the spotlight"? As above, it was forced on her, you idjit. And because she doesn't go totally radio rental she's "smug"? She's a smart middle aged woman with some good life skills who has handled the whole situation a helluva lot better than 99% of us, and you want to read some crap attitide into it? Fook off mon.

Is Alan Turing rolling in his grave?

Or is this sort of shallow behaviour by a media personality just an inevitable cost of an open and accepting society, and by far the lesser of two evils?

Why is it shallow? She works in the media, it's an occupational hazard she's gonna get asked stuff, it's gonna be reported, end of story.

Should Alison just shut up and show us her tits?

Discuss.

Good on her for the way she's conducted herself, she's got a lot more class than most folks on here.

[rainman]

The reason for the way society is today is generally due to peple wanting to be promiscuous which leads to marriage and relationships breaking up, short term relationships which all too often bring children into the world where they have no stability and people becoming blase about moving from one relationship to another either without regard to the long term benefits of a stable marriage or in a forlorn hope of finding that perfect man or woman when their life will be happy ever after.

I've had a vasectomy. I don't hold religious views that say God will punish me for using my naughty bits. I don't believe in the perfection of man or woman. Why should I not root like a Bonobo?

Apologies, realise this is waaay of topic from the OP about Ali and partner, but Ed's assumptions were calling out to be challenged...

[Kickaha]

Women are strange sometimes

Only sometimes?

[avgas]

Tits or fuck off

[Edbear]

I've had a vasectomy. I don't hold religious views that say God will punish me for using my naughty bits. I don't believe in the perfection of man or woman. Why should I not root like a Bonobo?

Apologies, realise this is waaay of topic from the OP about Ali and partner, but Ed's assumptions were calling out to be challenged...

You blithely avoid addressing the other downsides and even if for you, there is no likelihood of children you picked only a portion that suited you.

These are not my "assumptions" either, these are well recorded facts by all societies world wide. Why is it that when someone posts something that is well known and documented and nothing to do with religion or politics, people seem to feel a need to attack the poster personally?

[HenryDorsetCase]

You blithely avoid addressing the other downsides and even if for you, there is no likelihood of children you picked only a portion that suited you.

These are not my "assumptions" either, these are well recorded facts by all societies world wide. Why is it that when someone posts something that is well known and documented and nothing to do with religion or politics, people seem to feel a need to attack the poster personally?

source please.