Maori "Get Off Their Arse"

[scumdog]

but left power over land and 'all things treasured' to Maori.

Even 'things' yet to be invented or appear on this planet?

[mashman]

In my case, mostly yes. Most producers are smarter, they use any number of labour units to make shit.

So because it's only mostly, you are part of that 99% (snigger) then. Which, by your definition, makes you not a real man... so you were flashing for no real reason.

[BoristheBiter]

At the time of the signing of the treaty Pakeha numbers had barely grown after 50 years of being in this country. Why would Maori willingly sign over sovereignty to Europeans when they could have easily wiped out all Pakeha settlements if they had wished in 1840. It would be noted that the Declaration of Independence in 1835 had very translational issues and missionaries who had learned Maori for over 30 years were used in the translation process. While it ended up being a miscommunication, the inherent right thereafter would go to the Maori.

Why are we under Crown law? Because the British claimed the North Island by cession before many of the tribes had even signed the Maoris version, and claimed the South Island by discovery due to the inhabitants being uncivilised. This was a false claim to make in the first place, especially since the majority of the tribes did not sign the English version but the Maori version, which gave the Crown a right to governorship but left power over land and 'all things treasured' to Maori.

Who knows why they signed it, Who knows why the crown made the treaty in the first place.
Maybe the Maoris had heard about Australia and England felt a little guilty.

England never went anywhere and like someone else rule, even in India they ruled the land. so why would they do it here?
If so many didn't even sign it then why is it the first thing they go running to when the want a hand out?

Why was it a false claim to make? they were uncivilized. and they didn't have a flag.

All I do know is, if you keep looking at the past you will stay in the past and too many of Maori leaders want to stay there.

[superman]

Who knows why they signed it, Who knows why the crown made the treaty in the first place.
Maybe the Maoris had heard about Australia and England felt a little guilty.

England never went anywhere and like someone else rule, even in India they ruled the land. so why would they do it here?
If so many didn't even sign it then why is it the first thing they go running to when the want a hand out?

Why was it a false claim to make? they were uncivilized. and they didn't have a flag.

All I do know is, if you keep looking at the past you will stay in the past and too many of Maori leaders want to stay there.

Not who knows... there's an obvious reason if you look through Maori culture and the events around that time. The Treaty reaffirmed their sovereignty, 5 years previous the Declaration of Independence was a Crown declaration of their sovereignty so why would it suddenly be taken away? Pakeha were to be partners because the Maori knew they'd benefit from them. If you read into the debates that took place during the signings of the Treaty (debate, feast and trust being far more important in Maori culture than scribbling on a piece of paper) the outcome to Maori was clear. Chiefs were stating things such as 'What man of sense would believe that the governor will take our land away and give us only a part of it?', 'Hear all of you, Pakeha's and Maoris. This is my speech. My desire is that we should all be of one heart. Speak your words openly; speak as you mean to act; do not say one thing and mean another.', 'You must preserve our customs and never permit our land to be wrested from us.', 'the shadow of the land goes to the Queen but the substance remains with us.'

It was seen as a clear reaffirmation of their power, and they were going to be protected by the Queen in a form of mutual protection. This all was taking place as some settlers were running amok, and both Pakeha and Maori wanted to create a stable relationship. The governor was seen to be bringing an end to inter-tribal violence.

We should obviously look to the future, I think a country based upon Tikanga and mixed with European values would be good. It would make us a far more unique country than the 'Britain of the south' where Maori are treated as circus types only good for attracting tourists.

I never said the English would have not actively tried to rule, but that they did it behind the Maoris back. They didn't actively proclaim they were there to take control, it was a very sneaky trust gaining process followed by a stab in the back.

Claiming the North by cession was wrong since the majority of tribes hadn't signed the Treaty, the United Tribes of New Zealand had a flag from 1835 as set in the Declaration of Independence, but how does a European construct of a flag mean civilized anyway? They claim the south was uncivilized because their concept of civilized was written language, hierarchical governance etc.

And like with India the English should realise their mistakes and depart. Leave the country to its native citizens. It's the only decent thing to do after wiping out such a large part of their culture and diminishing their inherent rights to Aotearoa.

[JimO]

Not who knows... there's an obvious reason if you look through Maori culture and the events around that time. The Treaty reaffirmed their sovereignty, 5 years previous the Declaration of Independence was a Crown declaration of their sovereignty so why would it suddenly be taken away? Pakeha were to be partners because the Maori knew they'd benefit from them. If you read into the debates that took place during the signings of the Treaty (debate, feast and trust being far more important in Maori culture than scribbling on a piece of paper) the outcome to Maori was clear. It was a reaffirmation of their power, and they were going to be protected by the Queen in a form of mutual protection. This all was taking place as some settlers were running amok, and both Pakeha and Maori wanted to create a stable relationship. The governor was seen to be bringing an end to inter-tribal violence.

We should obviously look to the future, I think a country based upon Tikanga and mixed with European values would be good. It would make us a far more unique country than the 'Britain of the south' where Maori are treated as circus types only good for attracting tourists.

I never said the English would have not actively tried to rule, but that they did it behind the Maoris back. They didn't actively proclaim they were there to take control, it was a very sneaky trust gaining process followed by a stab in the back.

Claiming the North by cession was wrong since the majority of tribes hadn't signed the Treaty, the United Tribes of New Zealand had a flag from 1835 as set in the Declaration of Independence, but how does a European construct of a flag mean civilized anyway? They claim the south was uncivilized because their concept of civilized was written language, hierarchical governance etc.

And like with India the English should realise their mistakes and depart. Leave the country to its native citizens. It's the only decent thing to do after wiping out such a large part of their culture and diminishing their inherent rights to Aotearoa.

what a lot of fucking bullshit, maori seem to have benefited the most out of european settlement, if europeans left now the maori would sell NZ to the chinese in a flash

[superman]

what a lot of fucking bullshit, maori seem to have benefited the most out of european settlement, if europeans left now the maori would sell NZ to the chinese in a flash

Your points are well articulated with strong backing.

I'm starting to think this country is just filled with dumb white racist cunts.

[JimO]

Your points are well articulated with strong backing.

I'm starting to think this country is just filled with dumb white racist cunts.

what, instead of dumb black lazy cunts

[Nova.]

what, instead of dumb black lazy cunts

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[Hitcher]

Whats so special about tangata whenua?

It's sad that you have to ask. They're Treaty of Waitangi partners. That gives them a bunch of rights that they negotiated with the Crown back in 1840. Regrettably the Crown, as represented by subsequent governments in New Zealand, hasn't been that crash hot since then in holding up its end of the bargain negotiated in good faith way back when.

[BoristheBiter]

Not who knows... .

Sorry I just think you are completely wrong and will leave it there.

[superman]

Sorry I just think you are completely wrong and will leave it there.

Alright... I'll take your absence of retort or evidential backing as 'this is my belief and I don't want you trying to change it'

That's how most people hold opinions anyway... much to human demise.

[duckonin]

It's sad that you have to ask. They're Treaty of Waitangi partners. That gives them a bunch of rights that they negotiated with the Crown back in 1840. Regrettably the Crown, as represented by subsequent governments in New Zealand, hasn't been that crash hot since then in holding up its end of the bargain negotiated in good faith way back when.

Treaty of Waitangi is now defunk.Yes your words hitcher "way back then". Move on. those that it was to serve are now long deceased. Those that now utilize the words of the treaty do so knowing it was not signed for future generations of white/Maori crossbreds, but for Maoris only. Those like yourself with self professed words only serve to encourage those with a white brain to make the most of destroying this country for their own greed and racist to the end they are.

[FROSTY:Me]

I read that piece and other that the use of language I agree whole heartedly with the woman.
Put simply -YES there should be maori representation in council but that representation needs to be earned in the same way as any other racial group is represented

[BoristheBiter]

Alright... I'll take your absence of retort or evidential backing as 'this is my belief and I don't want you trying to change it'

That's how most people hold opinions anyway... much to human demise.

funny i could say the same about you.

whose culture is in demise? Not mine so it must be yours.

[98tls]

Your points are well articulated with strong backing.

I'm starting to think this country is just filled with dumb white racist cunts.

As opposed to what?Suburbs full of welfare dependant black racist cunts firing out more soon to be welfare dependent black racist cunts.Dont be hatin the white man bro he bought the welfare system not to mention the big houses where everything is free.