Power Junkies Rejoice

[Boo]

CRF119
Its not like that anymore, with EFI it can be a woods bike, it can be a monster.

[Jay GTI]

So how come this new old engine that is almost 30 years old be more powerful, lighter and reliable than the old new engine?? WTF is up with that

How much longer do we have to put up with this 4 stroke nonsense for?

Fuck me you're boring.

[Boo]

Price is relavent to use verses how long they sit. If its riden often it will be way cheap and give alot of enjoyment.

[ktm84mxc]

The 1985 Cr500 rf was the most powerful model Honda produced the following years the power was mellowed and made user friendly , you needed to be a good rider or built like a rock ape to ride one.
Kawasaki tamed there KX 500 with the KIPS exhaust power valve system, the first water cooled KX's suffered the same problems.
If you take a look at the Aussi VMX champs in the open classes it's all CR500's with a smatterings of KX's, in the UK you can still buy a new CR500 made up from OEM parts it's pricey but available to order.

[scott411]

The 1985 Cr500 rf was the most powerful model Honda produced the following years the power was mellowed and made user friendly , you needed to be a good rider or built like a rock ape to ride one.
Kawasaki tamed there KX 500 with the KIPS exhaust power valve system, the first water cooled KX's suffered the same problems.
If you take a look at the Aussi VMX champs in the open classes it's all CR500's with a smatterings of KX's, in the UK you can still buy a new CR500 made up from OEM parts it's pricey but available to order.

a good history of the 1st, and last japanese 500cc mxer,

http://www.dirtbikemagazine.com/ME2/...8CDD3C382A19F5


the KX500's i raced near the end of thier run i used to tame down as well, thick head gaskets, flywheel weights and jetting a bit fat off the bottom, starts were done in 3rd gear, and if you had room no one would beat you to the first corner, but put on a full gate with good riders the smaller bikes would jump out in front of you and close the gaps, same with short start straights,

Service honda in the States still sells new KX500's and CR500's in late model alloy frames, they are not that cheap but built very well, the owner has said he wants to build FI ones as well, he also puts 250, 200 and 125's 2t's in late model chassis
www.servicehonda.com is worth a drool every now and then,

[ktm84mxc]

Great link to that story on the KX500 there's a good write up on 3 of Kurt Nicols SR500's in VMX mag no 48 the bike yrs are 83,87,89 , interesting to see the move from full on factory build to a production based works model.
Kawasaki won a few NZ titles with Brian Patterson, Graham Allen and Greg Hanson in the 500 class.
MNZ[acu] killed the open class in NZ in 1988 when they changed the classes in the Nationals to Pro 125, Pro250, Exp125, Exp 250 another cock up by the powers that be.

[scott411]

MNZ[acu] killed the open class in NZ in 1988 when they changed the classes in the Nationals to Pro 125, Pro250, Exp125, Exp 250 another cock up by the powers that be.

i disagree, since we got rid of expert 125 and 250 MX has died, i think the 90's were the boom times for NZ MX, massive fields at nationals and big meetings, Tim Gibbes Series that put big fields at the regional meeting,s

since we have gone back to 3 national classes and no b grade classes, National meetings now have less than most club days,

[Crasherfromwayback]

Great link to that story on the KX500 there's a good write up on 3 of Kurt Nicols SR500's in VMX mag no 48 the bike yrs are 83,87,89 , interesting to see the move from full on factory build to a production based works model.
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Kawasaki moved pretty quickly from full works to production in the 80's. As in, the 85 KX500 was pretty close to the SR500 of 83/84 etc.

[ktm84mxc]

The point was there was no class at a National level to race the 500's , yes the fields were bigger especially when you had the Inter under200, over200 as well in the late 80's to early 90's .

The thrill of seeing a full grid of 500's tearing up a track was a awesome spectacle to witness.

[ktm84mxc]

Lets say Scott we bring back the Inter and Exp classes to the nationals so the events need to be run over 2 days with the possibilities of another 150 riders how many tracks or clubs could handle the numbers involved?
MNZ would love the revenue stream of 150 riders X $150 per round X4 .

[Crasherfromwayback]

a good history of the 1st, and last japanese 500cc mxer,

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Nice one Scott. I still get misty eyed over them!

[scott411]

Lets say Scott we bring back the Inter and Exp classes to the nationals so the events need to be run over 2 days with the possibilities of another 150 riders how many tracks or clubs could handle the numbers involved?
MNZ would love the revenue stream of 150 riders X $150 per round X4 .

it had been a long time since the 500 class was truely full tho,

i have been argueing for this for years, intermediate is a waist of time at the momnet as you would not fill the expert class, but it should be a goal to have 200 riders at these events, and most clubs have way better facilties than they did in the 90's, when we used to do it,

and i think 3 2 day rounds, with 5 races a weekend each class, (one in teh south, 2 in the north on back to back weekends) is a good series, and will be cheaper and easier for more riders to get to,

MNZ do not get any revenue stream from the nationals anymore, (except for the permits) as the clubs take the entries fee now,

but dont let the facts get in the way of MNZ bashing, (there is plenty of ammo anyway, you do not need to make stuff up

[ktm84mxc]

I wasn't MNZ bashing just didn't know when the changes came into place, so do the clubs keep the sign on fees except for the permit levies and do the host clubs still need to find their own sponsors to help with the event costs.
Do you see a return of the Nth/Sth Island champs that was formerly known as the Gold Star series in the near future?

[scott411]

I wasn't MNZ bashing just didn't know when the changes came into place, so do the clubs keep the sign on fees except for the permit levies and do the host clubs still need to find their own sponsors to help with the event costs.
Do you see a return of the Nth/Sth Island champs that was formerly known as the Gold Star series in the near future?

yes and yes, only changed last year, so fair enough, so now you can pay the bills and if it rains and no one turns up to watch you are not left in a big hole,

i hope so, i have talked to a few clubs about maybe doing a series before xmas in teh NI, but now needing to have a national liceince to race them it will put people out from racing them if it does come back,

before xmas this year there is Labour Weekend, Valley CHamps (I think) Auckalnd Champs, Waikato CHamps and a Taranaki Champs as well,

[Crasherfromwayback]

, Valley CHamps (I think) Auckalnd Champs, Waikato CHamps and a Taranaki Champs as well,

Years ago when the Wellington Motocross Champs was big, pretty sure I gave Shane King his first taste of 500's. I gave him my then brand new 89 to ride in the last race of the day.