Welfare support and drug testing

**mashman** · 3rd July 2012, 13:04

Originally Posted by skippa1

you dont really want an answer on that do you?

Yes I do... I'm positively filled with anticipation to find out the excuse you have for this one

**Paul in NZ** · 3rd July 2012, 13:06

We are getting off topic.

What this is about is, 'if drugs / alcohol are the only reason you can't get/hold a job and are not a registered addict then you cannot expect a benefit. Simple as that.

**sidecar bob** · 3rd July 2012, 13:07

Originally Posted by mashman

So you're assuming that I smoke a lot of dope? You would be very wrong. I'm not down either, but work does not give me that satisfaction. Fuck sake could you be any wrongerer.

Only if he took a good spirited troll all the wrong way.

**skippa1** · 3rd July 2012, 13:07

Originally Posted by mashman

Yes I do... I'm positively filled with anticipation to find out the excuse you have for this one

some people are just worth more because their skill level is higher. Thats all

**Big Dave** · 3rd July 2012, 13:10

Not to mention that Commies are sooo yesterday.

**mashman** · 3rd July 2012, 13:11

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

We are getting off topic.

What this is about is, 'if drugs / alcohol are the only reason you can't get/hold a job and are not a registered addict then you cannot expect a benefit. Simple as that.

That simple huh? Do as we say or else? Can't wait to watch the follow up as the bill of rights takes a kickin.

**mashman** · 3rd July 2012, 13:15

Originally Posted by skippa1

some people are just worth more because their skill level is higher. Thats all

Thanks for clearing that up... bankers are more skilled than surgeons, check... lawyers are more skilled than Police, check... Corporate CEO's are more skilled than small business owners, check... the perception of value is strong with this one.

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Only if he took a good spirited troll all the wrong way.

OMG, really, is that what he was doing... I was just being paranoid

... haven't you got one eye to polish or somefink?

**puddytat** · 3rd July 2012, 13:28

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Not to mention that Commies are sooo yesterday.

yeah bro, its the Greens that are all the rage now...

look, Im not against the testing of people who want a benefit....you want help then thems the rules but I have a problem where the lines of what is acceptable crosses over into individual rights & how this could be the thin edge of the wedge that could ultimately see many fine upstanding folk who work hard but like a puff after, being unduly tarred to the same brush.
My mate who works at Stockton said that because of drug testing all those who smoked pot switched to Kronic. He also said that because folk couldnt take a puff now, that the drinking had escalated & so had violence. He would know as he's staunch as fuck.

Seems odd that you'll do time for pot far sooner than the fuckwit with 8 DIC convictions....

**oneofsix** · 3rd July 2012, 13:36

Originally Posted by puddytat

yeah bro, its the Greens that are all the rage now...

look, Im not against the testing of people who want a benefit....you want help then thems the rules but I have a problem where the lines of what is acceptable crosses over into individual rights & how this could be the thin edge of the wedge that could ultimately see many fine upstanding folk who work hard but like a puff after, being unduly tarred to the same brush.
My mate who works at Stockton said that because of drug testing all those who smoked pot switched to Kronic. He also said that because folk couldnt take a puff now, that the drinking had escalated & so had violence. He would know as he's staunch as fuck.

Seems odd that you'll do time for pot far sooner than the fuckwit with 8 DIC convictions....

I thought Greens were just Commies with a paint job

Not odd, its law not justice, business not fairness. History of the substances would also suggest it has nothing to do with the affects.

**onearmedbandit** · 3rd July 2012, 13:46

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

I probably am an idiot, & im not at all concerned by your groundless put downs, but all my observations are played out in this thread. Clearly you havent read it.

So you make sweeping generalisations based on the posts of a handful of people? Groundless? I think you've just proved that my 'put downs' are far from groundless.

**sidecar bob** · 3rd July 2012, 14:01

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

So you make sweeping generalisations based on the posts of a handful of people? Groundless? I think you've just proved that my 'put downs' are far from groundless.

Nope, my "sweeping generalisations" & opinions on the behaviour of stoners was well & truly developed at least 15 years before this thead existed.
4th rule of stoner arguing, if the opponent has you beat, call him an idiot without any explination & hope othors are to stupid to notice.

**Paul in NZ** · 3rd July 2012, 14:03

Originally Posted by mashman

That simple huh? Do as we say or else? Can't wait to watch the follow up as the bill of rights takes a kickin.

How the fuck do you possibly join those two together?

If you want the $$ here are the criteria. There are already a bunch of qualifiers around getting a handout?

What you are saying is so crazy I think you are trolling (or insane)

**Big Dave** · 3rd July 2012, 14:15

>> to stupid to notice.<<

Hitcher's Law of Internet Irony.

The hostility of any aspersion cast is proportional to the likelihood of it containing a grammatical error.

**Dave-** · 3rd July 2012, 14:15

Student loans is another big problem.

Need to see loans given to those only willing to study useful degrees, and see allowances given to those who are clean (of drugs) and who put in the proportionate number of hours.

I get $242pw for 91 hours, arts students get $242pw for 4 hours.

I should be able to pay my loan off in 2 or 3 years, arts students never will.

I also work part time, pay tax (even pay off a bit of my loan as I go).

That's what is wrong with studnt loan lending in New Zealand.