Help me choose between these two please

[Akzle]

and we get to the crux of the issue.. but I'm not arguing with you about any of that, actually GW.
Hyo used to manufacture for the Japs, but i would put Hyosung now, in terms of production, about where the japs were in the early-mid 80s, before they'd developed their product to a point where the world could trust them, and completely undercut the foreign manufacturers. I've no doubt the chinese (the actual chinese, and the rest) will get to this point, as the west as been abusing their labor laws for quite a while, and they're starting to pick up manufacturing contracts for themselves. but still. my pick is about 10 years down the line...

[arkeo]

you really believe they're at the point of manufacturing artifacts? i just don't believe this.. and won't until i see the proof -- longevity.
i'm open to being proved wrong on it, but that'll take about 10 years. they've only been doing proper "sports bikes" since about 2005, the company as it exists today has only been around since 2007.

no it's not, but as i explained above 'chinese', for the sake of this argument and as far as i'm concerned, covers that whole region, for the reasons explained above.

Of course you are right about longevity as for the real yardstick. As for the consequences you get from that, my opinion is different and I believe that Koreans got on average a good level in industrial quality. This doesn't mean that their products are always perfect. Hyousung bike could be a rip-off, it is possible even if I believe unlikely. What I meant in my previous post is something like the following. If I were forced to buy 1000 Korean items or 1000 Chinese items I would choose the first batch because the nature of the people is different and the character affect what they do almost in every aspect of life. Every people has good and bad qualities, there is no point denying that... All this is not to say that Chinese are bad people - simply that for several reasons reliability is not what I believe to be their best quality at present.

Maybe my answer is biased - Chinese goods are flooding Italian markets and the less I can say is that many Italians are not too enthusiast. Maybe. The only way to know something real and well grounded is to look at the statistics of the failures, based on well collected data. I do not know if any available.

cheers!

Apx.

[DR650gary]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-476423909.htm

May be a bit pricey for you but it will give you some fun.

[GTRMAN]

Well, stands is a it of a stretch, flops around the floor like a fish out of water is perhaps more accurate. Is Korean rubbish really that much harder to say than Chinese rubbish?

fucken charming, you are. bet your mum's real proud.


i use the term "chinese" roughly how many people would use "asiatic" although i do not include the japanese or the innuit.
so when i say chinese i do mean every mongol between the russian border and the pacific, down to the north coast of australia.
indian, malaysian, thai, mandarins or oranges - i give not a shit.

the governance, labour laws, quality control standards and level of industrialisation is roughly equal across the range.

since becoming an independent manufacturer (having stolen the japanese's ideas and designs, but lacking their understanding) i believe that the quality of hyos has declined, probably more due to material quality than inherent design faults, there's also a vast difference in engineering-think between a scooter designed to carry a family of 7 in rush hour traffic, and sports bike.

It is still a common fault (not sure if hyo specifically are guilty) that they still operate on a tender basis, which means while they're all assembled in the same factory, and that factory will carry spares for a while, the manufacturers of each individual component have no liability to the end user, and they get the job because they can produce the parts the cheapest. so your "hyosung" branded bike may be assembled from 50 different factories -the wheel factory, the cable factory, the plastic factory, the tank factory, the left-pedal factory and the right-pedal factory, the frame factory etc, etc.

but cheers for raising that point, all be it in an arrogant way.

...you sir are a fucking twat...for no other reason than, thats what you are...

i'll see your child-minded reply, and raise you an "eat a dick, i could hardly care less what if you think"

my above statement stands. if anyone wants to bring facts or constructive discussion to the table, feel free.

How about, Akzle got caught talking out of a hole in his arse yet again and tried to cover it with some psychobabble... oh, ah, um, what I meant was.....

Meh

[Akzle]

How about, Akzle got caught talking out of a hole in his arse yet again and tried to cover it with some psychobabble... oh, ah, um, what I meant was.....

Meh

are you post-stalking me?

you have far too much time on your hands.

that doesn't even make sense. muppet.

[tbs]

are you post-stalking me?

Not just him.
You are being watched as a "person of interest." Some of us are charged with the duty of keeping you talking..........

[Akzle]

Some of us are charged with the duty of keeping you talking..........

you have far too much time on your hands.

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[Old Steve]

May to July, don't know if you are still looking rooney111. There's been no update from you if you've bought a bike or not.

My choice would be a Hyosung, I'm 173 cm and I did my 6L and 6R on a Hyosung (24,000 km in all over 20 months), but I did it on a GV250 - the cruiser - which I found much easier to ride because of it's lower centre of gravity and lower seat height. It only weighs 168 kg (dry) so it's pretty easy to lift in case of ...

Hyosung actually manufactured Suzukis under licence for 20 years, thats why the GV250 has the same Suzuki Intruder glitch in the gear box which makes it hard to get neutral when the engine is running. Also, Hyosung NZ have a lot of spares, I think they claim that 95% of spares are despatched overnight.