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    I'd like to know what happens when a person is dismissed for being stoned
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    They have a stand down period before the recieve the benefit
    Will they automatically be ineligible for collecting the dole?
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    Are you prepared for any fall out? Will you be happy IF crime stats rise and you have to pay more tax, or the country has to borrow more money, because the crime rate rises?
    Why would the xrime rate rise. All the opinion that has been expressed by the "pro cannibis" brigade quite clearly announces that smoking pot does not lead to a life of crime.
    Will you be at ease with yourself because a desperate person, who would have otherwise been stoned on the couch (your words), injures or even kills someone because they don't have enough money to feed themselves or their family (they are going from some money to none)?
    Rubbish, remember, pot smokers are non violent.
    Because I will hold you all responsible as accessory's to the crimes committed. That may mean nothing to you, which only goes to underpin your complete lack of understanding in regards to the bigger picture.
    They aint gonna do it, they are too mellow

    Righto, so you expect an employeer to continue to employ a person who fails a drug test and potentially risk others lives, maybe even your own familes in case of what the said smoker may do if they loose their job??? One way to fix it.....dont come to work impaired......relatively simple to say, apparantly too hard to grasp.
    Do you know that if you knowingly allow a person to work that is impaired or judged to be impaired by way of a drug test and they cause an incident or accident, even if you are only a work mate or an employeer, YOU can be deemed to have been a contributing factor to the result and can (many have been) be charged with negligence and fined or jailed. Heaps of company directors and managers have been prosecuted in this manner when they didnt have sufficient means of ensuring workplace safety....like drug tests. Why do you think they all do them now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
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    Why would the xrime rate rise. All the opinion that has been expressed by the "pro cannibis" brigade quite clearly announces that smoking pot does not lead to a life of crime.
    Loss of money where they have little in the first place... keep up.

    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1
    Rubbish, remember, pot smokers are non violent.

    They aint gonna do it, they are too mellow
    Not according to your experience

    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1
    Righto, so you expect an employeer to continue to employ a person who fails a drug test and potentially risk others lives, maybe even your own familes in case of what the said smoker may do if they loose their job??? One way to fix it.....dont come to work impaired......relatively simple to say, apparantly too hard to grasp.
    Do you know that if you knowingly allow a person to work that is impaired or judged to be impaired by way of a drug test and they cause an incident or accident, even if you are only a work mate or an employeer, YOU can be deemed to have been a contributing factor to the result and can (many have been) be charged with negligence and fined or jailed. Heaps of company directors and managers have been prosecuted in this manner when they didnt have sufficient means of ensuring workplace safety....like drug tests. Why do you think they all do them now?
    I never said I wanted people to be drunk or stoned at work. Can you show me where I did? and in context please . I agree that people should have more concern for those around them, especially in the working environment, but accidents don't just happen to people who are impaired and those who are impaired aren't always involved in accident. In other words, prevention doesn't always work and the fact that we can't see into the future and people who aren't impaired have accidents mootifies your argument. I understand ye olde not stopping someone from doing something "dangerous" and them dying is akin to receiving an assist for the darwin award... hence why I'll hold you all responsible , but I see no reason why I should enforce it just because of a rule. Did you see the story in the states of the life saver who saved a life and then got sacked because he left his area to save someone in an area he wasn't allowed in? What would have happened had he watched the guy die? The argument of prevention is useless and pathetic without common sense and only the weak minded would spout such utter shite under the misguided notion that it will ALWAYS save lives.
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    never said I wanted people to be drunk or stoned at work. Can you show me where I did?
    You didnt say you wanted the to be but you did ask what would happen
    I'd like to know what happens when a person is dismissed for being stoned.
    Not according to your experience
    Yes but this is the world according to you


    but I see no reason why I should enforce it just because of a rule
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    You might not but fucked if Im going to jail for some arse that comes to work stoned

    The argument of prevention is useless and pathetic without common sense and only the weak minded would spout such utter shite under the misguided notion that it will ALWAYS save lives.
    Who ever said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneofsix View Post
    True, why should you have any personal freedom or fun when you are job hunting? There are after all plenty of jobs out there and the lazy bums just wont apply themselves. What was the story? a Bar in Wanganui or some out of the way place wanted 1 bar person and 312 people actual had the cheek to turn up in person. Must be all those bums that chose unemployment as a career.
    It is called personal responsibility. If you are in the job market and YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF DRUG TEST then lay off the weed if you are serious about becoming employed. If you (job applicants) can't figure that out then you deserve to have your dole (dope money) taken away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    what is to stop a person not having a smoke before an interview and then turning up to work after a night of smoking, and to just sit there and do the bare minimum to get through the day
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    Random drug testing, pride, self esteem, the hope of furthering and bettering yourself, the knowledge that you did a good days work and actually earnt your money, the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    It is called personal responsibility...
    What are these words? This concept seems fairly obscure

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippa1 View Post
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    You didnt say you wanted the to be but you did ask what would happen

    Yes but this is the world according to you

    You might not but fucked if Im going to jail for some arse that comes to work stoned

    Who ever said that?
    Well here's hoping that's the tack they take.

    Is it? or did you decide that that was how I see the world?

    As I said, fuckin stupid. If raising your concerns isn't enough to stop someone from being under the influence and driving and you end up in jail, would you blame the person for under the influence for you being in jail?

    I said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    It is called personal responsibility. If you are in the job market and YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF DRUG TEST then lay off the weed if you are serious about becoming employed. If you (job applicants) can't figure that out then you deserve to have your dole (dope money) taken away.
    personal responsibility card alert... you're not allowed to get stoned because of will hamper your chances of getting a job and it may also result in you losing any money you have. Personal responsibility removed by legislation, all is well . Shutting the door after the horse has bolted eh? yup, that's worked well for people getting pissed and driving their cars, rape, murder, war and some even come with exclusions depending on who you are and what your position is. Priceless.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Random drug testing, pride, self esteem, the hope of furthering and bettering yourself, the knowledge that you did a good days work and actually earnt your money, the list goes on.
    ... speechless with laughter here. Sounds like a textbook to me, one that people read and swallow in the hope that it'll make them a different person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    ... the analogy works today. If you know when the test is coming and you care enough to want to keep your job

    The legislation coming in won't change that, will it? ... but hey, some people just never learn eh .
    As I understood .... the main subject of this thread is the drug testing of the unemployed ... on a benefit. Not those already in work. I gather from what I have read on the subject ... the drug test will be prior to the "potential employee", being sent for a job interview. Those on the benefit will have no idea when that could be.
    Currently ... the "potential employer" pays for the drug test. It will be WINZ that will pay for the drug test under the new legislation (if I understood it correctly)

    The minister of Welfare stated those failing a drug test wont get taken immediately off a benefit. Although she never mentioned any possible reductions in "extra assistance" they may/will recieve.
    Continued failing of the test cannot go well for those people either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    As I understood .... the main subject of this thread is the drug testing of the unemployed ... on a benefit. Not those already in work. I gather from what I have read on the subject ... the drug test will be prior to the "potential employee", being sent for a job interview. Those on the benefit will have no idea when that could be.
    Currently ... the "potential employer" pays for the drug test. It will be WINZ that will pay for the drug test under the new legislation (if I understood it correctly)

    The minister of Welfare stated those failing a drug test wont get taken immediately off a benefit. Although she never mentioned any possible reductions in "extra assistance" they may/will recieve.
    Continued failing of the test cannot go well for those people either.
    Oh I see, back on topic . Tis a waste of money and of employee potential to screen for drugs. It does not mean that the person will take drugs at work or indeed mean that the person will be impaired during their working day due to after effects.
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    If employers are going to drug test new job seekers,,what's the point of WINZ doing it ?
    Wouldn't that be just another cost to the NZ tax payer ?
    All seems a bit pointless to me.
    An no I don't smoke the stuff,nore have I ever been on the dole,,,nore do I really give a shit.
    It just seems a bit odd that mr "My tax money" is dumb enough to buy this shit.

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