How could VTNZ miss this?

[GTRMAN]

Thing about a re-vin, the extra checking they do is only to make sure that the parts on the bike do not need to be certified to be there. I have recently learned that you can vin a bike with bald tyres, so long as they are marked with the appropriate safety standard marks. They will then be failed come warrant check, a different inspection.

But looking at that swingarm, I think I know why you were moving onto your third shock. Did you change them yourself? Because if you or whoever replaced them in the past didn't notice the issue, why would anyone who didn't have their face squished into the six inch gap between linkages and ground notice it?

Only the latest one, that's how I found this

[GTRMAN]

Have you asked the two bike shops and the VTNZ that same question ... ???

Mondays task...

[mossy1200]

Only the latest one, that's how I found this

Was the last owner HUGE with an AMPLE wife?
It just looks so much like a massive load with a shock bottomed out for a lot of riding.

[tigertim20]

Yes, pretty severe damage, yes, bike shops and vtnz should definitely have picked that up.
BUT its YOUR bike, YOU ride it, YOU own in, YOU should give the thing a good going over on a regular basis so that YOU can be sure the tyres arent bald 3 months before the next WOF is due, or that your brake pads arent worn down three weeks after getting a WOF etc etc. Its just an on the spot exam, its up to YOU to look over your bike for any obvious defects before YOU entrust YOUR life to this contraption.

No, Im not defending the 'professionals' that missed it, but take this as a lesson in personal responsibility, take charge, check your vehicles over before you put yourself and/or your family into/onto them. its YOUR life if it turns to shit.

[mossy1200]

Wouldnt the bike be almost verticle on the side stand.

[SMOKEU]

A bit of duct tape and matt black spray paint will make it look mint.

[breakaway]

Target/Fair Go need to get in on this. Take a totally fucked car/bike, take it to a range of WoF / re-vin places and see how it gets on. The results will be shocking. After airing of the epsiode 'policies' will be put in place, but everything will return to the status quo in 6 months time.

No, Im not defending the 'professionals' that missed it, but take this as a lesson in personal responsibility, take charge, check your vehicles over before you put yourself and/or your family into/onto them. its YOUR life if it turns to shit.

While I agree with you, most people don't know their asshole from a fuel filler cap (not just talking about bikes here). It is impractical and unreasonable to expect everyone to be smart enough that they know how to do a WoF level inspection on their machine each time. You have to be able to trust the 'professionals'. (and I use that term VERY loosely)

While we're on the topic, one of my bikes went through a 'check-over+service' that cost almost $400 at a local shop, and then through a VTNZ re-vin, and it had a totally collapsed bearing in the front wheel. In another incident, I had a certain motorcycle shop forget to put in a rear wheel spacer after changing wheels, luckily caught me just as I was riding out. When I got home, I decided to do a check and found the front fork nut only finger tight about to fall off. Another shop did my clutch in the car. They fucked it up and didn't put the CV joint back in properly. Violent shaking of car at any speed over 40km/h. It fucked up a CV joint. Job sheet said 'road test passed'. Sure they 'fixed' it for free, such incompetence though. It is beyond me how these incompetent 'professionals' stay in business.

[avgas]

rear shock crapped out (or so I thought) as it was the third shock to do this I decided to buy another bike and get the current one shipped back home.

Sounds to me like you have more money than sense.
I have never had a bike kill 2 shocks. Ever.
Funny thing is shocks had nothing to do with the problem. Turns out you had twisted metal for a swingarm.

Might want to check the stearing head bearings - because I imagine your 3 pairs of new bars haven't fix that problem either.

I mean come on, seriously man WTF!
Blaming VTNZ and bikeshops as well. WTF?

[tigertim20]

While I agree with you, most people don't know their asshole from a fuel filler cap (not just talking about bikes here). It is impractical and unreasonable to expect everyone to be smart enough that they know how to do a WoF level inspection on their machine each time. You have to be able to trust the 'professionals'. (and I use that term VERY loosely)

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I agree with the underlined section, but not the rest.
I dont think anyone should own or drive any vehicle without at least a basic understanding of how it works, you trust your life to this thing, you should take the time out of your day to spend a few minutes learning about the fuckin thing. This attitude of 'but its got a warrant of fitness' and 'but the vtnz guy said its fine last month' is bullshit, passing the buck onto someone else for things that people should take the time and effort to look into themselves. You wouldnt send your 5 year old kid to stay at a friends place without checking the parents out and maybe dropping by first to make sure they arent pedophiles, so why would you pout yourself or your family in a vehicle without taking 5 minutes of your time to have some peace of mind? - doing so could save your life one day.

[Road kill]

They probably missed it the same way you did.

[porky]

I agree with the underlined section, but not the rest.
I dont think anyone should own or drive any vehicle without at least a basic understanding of how it works, you trust your life to this thing, you should take the time out of your day to spend a few minutes learning about the fuckin thing. This attitude of 'but its got a warrant of fitness' and 'but the vtnz guy said its fine last month' is bullshit, passing the buck onto someone else for things that people should take the time and effort to look into themselves. You wouldnt send your 5 year old kid to stay at a friends place without checking the parents out and maybe dropping by first to make sure they arent pedophiles, so why would you pout yourself or your family in a vehicle without taking 5 minutes of your time to have some peace of mind? - doing so could save your life one day.

Horse shit

Whens the last time you walked around a 747 or airbus before climbing aboard for that trip overseas.......or had a quick check over the surgeons gear before he cut you open. If people put themselves out there as professionals in their own respective fields, then the consumer/ client piece of mind should end there.

If it were okay for us to re vin our own vehicles then i would concure with you comments. However we arnt....due to the fact we are not "professionals" trained or certified in this area.

[tigertim20]

Horse shit

Whens the last time you walked around a 747 or airbus before climbing aboard for that trip overseas.......or had a quick check over the surgeons gear before he cut you open. If people put themselves out there as professionals in their own respective fields, then the consumer/ client piece of mind should end there.

If it were okay for us to re vin our own vehicles then i would concure with you comments. However we arnt....due to the fact we are not "professionals" trained or certified in this area.

not at all.
the 747 gets walked around before flight, the pilot checks the logs, or should do.
the surgeon will check his tools and make sure they are right for what he needs before opening you up.


Sounds like you are another to blame someone else if something goes to shit.

There is a reason why a WOF is an on the spot check, it doesnt mean that the vehicle will be safe to drive until the expiry date, it means it looked ok to the inspector at the time, and you should come back on xx date.

your vehicle, your responsibility if you are in control of it.

I check my vehicles regularly, regardless of when the last inspection was. All this blame the professional stuff is kinda shit, yes, you should go and complain, you should also recognise that you are the one that uses the thing every day, and that you should take some fuckin time to make sure its ship shape.

[avgas]

Horse shit

Whens the last time you walked around a 747 or airbus before climbing aboard for that trip overseas.......or had a quick check over the surgeons gear before he cut you open. If people put themselves out there as professionals in their own respective fields, then the consumer/ client piece of mind should end there.

If it were okay for us to re vin our own vehicles then i would concure with you comments. However we arnt....due to the fact we are not "professionals" trained or certified in this area.

Don't ask for what you don't want.
No one would get a vin if the vtnz guys got pedantic. Not even brand new bikes.

[FJRider]

There is a reason why a WOF is an on the spot check, it doesnt mean that the vehicle will be safe to drive until the expiry date, it means it looked ok to the inspector at the time, and you should come back on xx date.

According to the last Target program I watched ... not all WoF testers are created equal either.

[Fast Eddie]

not at all.
the 747 gets walked around before flight, the pilot checks the logs, or should do.

well a team of engineers probably does this actually.. think the large plane pilot checks his instruments in the cockpit.. engineers do the rest. They used to have an onboard engineer during the flights but cost savings mean i think most flights just have pilot and co pilot these days.. but as we see with aviation crash history.. things go unnoticed all the time and then planes rip apart mid air..

the surgeon will check his tools and make sure they are right for what he needs before opening you up.

you would hope so..

There is a reason why a WOF is an on the spot check, it doesnt mean that the vehicle will be safe to drive until the expiry date, it means it looked ok to the inspector at the time, and you should come back on xx date.

nah, but it should mean that at the time of inspection it should be safe to ride on the road.. if you've got serious component failure you would hope they would pick it up.. but meh, if you've chewed through 2/3 rear shock absorbers surely alarm bells would be ringing anyway..

and like plenty of people said. many people have no mechanical knowledge and pay good money for pros to service and maintain their vehicles.. whether its big trucks or scooters or whatever.. I don't think everyone should be expected to be able to maintain their own vehicles. that could even be very dangerous for those that do not know what they are doing and start interfering with things thinking they are doing it right but instead setting up for disaster. eh. anyway - I think a wof place who tests a vehicle for its road worthiness should pick up on basic things like suspension/chassis and brakes..

they have picked me up on a tiny amount of suspect repair/welds on an old car before so they can be thorough if they want to!