How could VTNZ miss this?

[Fast Eddie]

Don't ask for what you don't want.
No one would get a vin if the vtnz guys got pedantic. Not even brand new bikes.

haha! true but surely there would be somewhere in the middle between not noticing if the car is missing a wheel, and failing brand new cars because there is dust on the windscreen..

[Scuba_Steve]

Now my question is, how can TWO bike shops and VTNZ miss this? And how can this be deemed safe enough for the road?

Read the back of the sheet, it quite clearly states a WoF is not a safety check it is simply an extortion of money in exchange for a meaningless sticker & they take no responsibility at all. In different words of-course.

[Laava]

Just before this whole plot gets repixelled into the pink room, I would say that you are probably lucky that you found it the easy way and hope you can fix it easily too!

[Fast Eddie]

Read the back of the sheet, it quite clearly states a WoF is not a safety check it is simply an extortion of money in exchange for a meaningless sticker & they take no responsibility at all. In different words of-course.

hahah! never read the wof sheets.. must have a read next time

[bsasuper]

I'm not surprized vtnz and a bike shop missed that, but how did YOU miss that?

[avgas]

haha! true but surely there would be somewhere in the middle between not noticing if the car is missing a wheel, and failing brand new cars because there is dust on the windscreen..

Just of the top of my head these are new car issues that don't get accepted.....but weren't even on checks for old cars - but have failed wofs (from previous conversations with people).

-Braided brake lines
-Indicator lamps from generic dashs lighting up (more specifically ABS is the usual culprit)
-LED/directional headlamps
-Seat belt alarm systems giving false readings.....

And there are probably 100's more.

Simple fact of the matter - your usually not getting your VIN and WOF from a someone who specialised on your vehicle alone (unlike Pilots and Engineers who from recall take 2 years to get trained......PER AIRCRAFT!).
I am all for lifting the standards for checks - but expect the price to go up substantially (by my calcs by about 10 fold).

[porky]

not at all.
the 747 gets walked around before flight, the pilot checks the logs, or should do.
the surgeon will check his tools and make sure they are right for what he needs before opening you up.


Sounds like you are another to blame someone else if something goes to shit.

There is a reason why a WOF is an on the spot check, it doesnt mean that the vehicle will be safe to drive until the expiry date, it means it looked ok to the inspector at the time, and you should come back on xx date.

your vehicle, your responsibility if you are in control of it.

I check my vehicles regularly, regardless of when the last inspection was. All this blame the professional stuff is kinda shit, yes, you should go and complain, you should also recognise that you are the one that uses the thing every day, and that you should take some fuckin time to make sure its ship shape.

My point.....that seemed to right over your head was that at some point we must put our hands/ life in that of professionals. You allege that we are "the masters of our own destiny" and as such must take responsibility for our own safety etc. My argument is that you are neither a surgeon or airline pilot and as such wouldnt have a fucking clue as to the airworthyness of a large aircraft or the internal workings of the human being.....so at some point we must allow the professionals to do the job we pay them and keep the fuck out of shit we have no knowledge. (understanding what is expected as an outcome and how one achieves it is what seperates the client from the professional)


....you should also recognise that you are the one that uses the thing every day, and that you should take some fuckin time to make sure its ship shape......Next you will be telling me all those people that died in the CTV building did so because they failed to identify defects in the building?????? or its ability to with stand another significant shake.... No a professional engineer in conjunction with an official from CCC failed to adequately assess the risk (or so it would seem from the prelim findings)

You are either a total professional moron or a professional retard, either way i dont blame you for turning out the way you did (turning to shit)

[tigertim20]

According to the last Target program I watched ... not all WoF testers are created equal either.

exactly. you cannot rely on a WOF as evidence that a vehicle is safe for the road.

My point.....that seemed to right over your head was that at some point we must put our hands/ life in that of professionals. You allege that we are "the masters of our own destiny" and as such must take responsibility for our own safety etc. My argument is that you are neither a surgeon or airline pilot and as such wouldnt have a fucking clue as to the airworthyness of a large aircraft or the internal workings of the human being.....so at some point we must allow the professionals to do the job we pay them and keep the fuck out of shit we have no knowledge. (understanding what is expected as an outcome and how one achieves it is what seperates the client from the professional)
fuck off,
show me where I said we are the 'masters of our own destiny' - you should get those voices in your head checked out because now you are just making shit up retard.
Its about personal responsibility. You cant just wait for something to go wrong then run around pointing the finger everywhere else, you need to ask yourself what YOU could have done to help the situation.
The point about many people not having a clue is the problem - people should take the time to GET a clue. People are the same worldwide, and there are plenty of places around the world that do not require a warrant of fitness, or any other test for that matter - it is up to the driver of the vehicle to assess its roadworthiness since it is their, and their families life at risk while using it. many of those countries have lower road fatality rates than us, so clearly a WOF has extremely limited value anyway.


....you should also recognise that you are the one that uses the thing every day, and that you should take some fuckin time to make sure its ship shape......Next you will be telling me all those people that died in the CTV building did so because they failed to identify defects in the building?????? or its ability to with stand another significant shake.... No a professional engineer in conjunction with an official from CCC failed to adequately assess the risk (or so it would seem from the prelim findings)

You are either a total professional moron or a professional retard, either way i dont blame you for turning out the way you did (turning to shit)

the ctv building and an airplane are NOT a private motor vehicle dickhead, or does that tiny minute little detail escape your tiny ignorant little mind?
they are commercial vehicles or buildings, which provide for multiple, sometimes hundreds of people, its a totally different matter. A better example would be 'if a bookcase fell over in an earthquake and killed your toddler, is it your fault?' (see how we are talking PERSONAL responsibility, and PERSONAL items/possessions here?) to which I would reply, yes, its your own fucking fault, you should have shit like that secure if you have kids.

[GTRMAN]

Really not pointing fingers, I was honestly asking if this was something that was checked as part of the vinning process. I have fixed it now.

[tigertim20]

Really not pointing fingers, I was honestly asking if this was something that was checked as part of the vinning process. I have fixed it now.

I think the question was answered before the shit slinging begun!!!
Yes, it certainly should have been picked up on by them, but them missing it doesnt remove all responsibility from you.
end of the day, its worked out okay, and hopefully a lesson learned by you, to do a few regular checks.

Next time something breaks down on your bike (whether it be a shock or whatever) have a good look around, and make sure you have fixed the cause, rather than just tended to the problem itself.

It may be worth writing to the places where the wofs were obtained, and hope the bosses mention it - but the reply you will get will be something along the lines of 'we make every effort blah blah blah, no evdence that this issue was present at the time of the wof blah blah blah have a nice day'

[jonbuoy]

Who swapped the three shocks? You or a bike shop?

[ducatilover]

I'm not getting in to the silly argument. But, fuck you're lucky that didn't let go completely mate!

[gammaguy]

in my time at a suzuki franchise i saw two GSF600 swingarms do that

built to a price those bandits

[5150]

well a team of engineers probably does this actually.. think the large plane pilot checks his instruments in the cockpit.. engineers do the rest.

Actually either captain or first officer will do "walk-around" before EVERY flight and visually check the critical parts of the aircraft (brakes, engines, control surfaces etc) Ground engineers will complete periodic checks and maintenance. Each aircraft will also be required to be almost completely stripped down, checked for critical structural damage and reassembled every couple thousand of flight hours.

The only reason there is no engineer on board is because of the glass cockpit era where the computers basically made the engineer obsolite.


And an advice to the OP "Lay off the pies"

[Botany Honda]

Seen the same on an SV650