Gareth Morgan in the Herald on ACC levies for bikers

[bogan]

Your problem would most likely be with the stats. How do they determine the ks travelled, especially with so many riders having more than one bike?

Pretty sure it is recorded at wof inspections...

[avgas]

Although to be fair to the Council the views in that article are those of Gareth Morgan and are not necessarily shared by others on the Council, hence why it was not released under the Council's name. I think the discussion should be had, however, I for one agree with some of what he argues and not on others. Whether I agree with Gareth or not does not mean I should run him down, or those on the Council. Agree to disagree, play the ball not the man.

Remind me again why we have a paid council? Or do you not get paid if you disagree with GM?

[oneofsix]

Pretty sure it is recorded at wof inspections...

They can only do it per road bike. I see the possibilities of gaps in the stats, do all the bikes have the same details, do they realise that Joe H Blog, Joe Blog and J Blog are all the same person? Also my cage racks up lots of Ks without my in it whereas my bike only racks up ks without me when its getting its WoF.
step back from the keyboard

If you mean averaging then there is hardly a cage that isn't subject to WoF but that are many bikes that aren't.

[avgas]

We aren't seen as their customer, just a cash cow, bet it would be a lot different if we could opt out of paying them though... probably the only feedback that would get through to the economist.

Lol that could actually work. Have a protest saying that we should have an "Opt-In" re: MotoNZ.

[GarethMorgan]

After reading some of the comments both here and on other sites I feel there are a few misconceptions out there. Here is a follow up article... http://garethsworld.com/motorbike-ri...d-to-get-real/

[The Lone Rider]

I thought the council members were banned from posting on Kiwibiker? Or be banned from the council.

[Katman]

Here is a follow up article... http://garethsworld.com/motorbike-ri...d-to-get-real/

Totally agree.

[bogan]

After reading some of the comments both here and on other sites I feel there are a few misconceptions out there. Here is a follow up article... http://garethsworld.com/motorbike-ri...d-to-get-real/

Care to comment on why you keep using the per/km risk, when injuries happen on a per rider basis?

Also, how sure are you that motorcycling is miles more risky per individual than other sports? Have the horsists been survneighed?

[bogan]

Lol that could actually work. Have a protest saying that we should have an "Opt-In" re: MotoNZ.

It would certainly bring some accountability back...

[Bald Eagle]

So we are 'penalised' because of our choice of transport mode based on some doubtful statistics. While people who engage in other higher risk activities escape payment.

Seems to me it's more about here's a group that can easily be identified and charged rather than address the large number of other activities simply because there's no mechanism for collection.

After all as you said "The principle is that those engaging in higher risk activities should pay more of its costs."

I would also dispute that motorcycling is a high risk activity. It is my transport mode of choice. Rather the 'consequences of a misadventure are high cost" would seem to be the truer statement.

[bogan]

Totally agree.

I agree in that a lot of bikers (lets just round it up to ALL bikers to be on the safe side) need to put some time in to improve their roadcraft (not that it was directly addressed in his blog).

I don't agree that over-taxation is an effective way to achieve this. How is putting out obviously scaremongering figure going to get bikers to listen? How is charging us more going to allow us to buy better gear? or afford roadcraft training?

[Bald Eagle]

I agree in that a lot of bikers (lets just round it up to ALL bikers to be on the safe side) need to put some time in to improve their roadcraft (not that it was directly addressed in his blog).

I don't agree that over-taxation is an effective way to achieve this. How is putting out obviously scaremongering figure going to get bikers to listen? How is charging us more going to allow us to buy better gear? or afford roadcraft training?

The political masters believe the stick gets better results from the jonkey, and they can then eat the carrots themselves.

[Swoop]

I must assume that there are some people out there that are serial serious crashers of motorcycles...

I believe they are referred to as "GSXR riders".

Care to comment on why you keep using the per/km risk, when injuries happen on a per rider basis?

Very true. There are a few around here who have never made an ACC claim for a motorcycle related "event".

[Voltaire]

I booked my wife into an ACC paid for scooter refresher course.....the 2 people who turned up got good value for money. Message ACC gets is no one is really that interested.
My wife is not keen on riding around Auckland and I don't blame her as the standard of driving is so poor.

[Murray]

After reading some of the comments both here and on other sites I feel there are a few misconceptions out there. Here is a follow up article... http://garethsworld.com/motorbike-ri...d-to-get-real/

Do you get your figures from the same people that told us ACC was broke???

Anyone with common sense can manipulate figures any way they like. Even Nick Smith did it and he's got no sense at all!!