Gareth Morgan in the Herald on ACC levies for bikers

**Scuba_Steve** · 13th July 2012, 10:55

Originally Posted by Katman

It's a shame that we've become a society too stupid to learn from the mistakes of others though.

That's not society that's humans!

**Murray** · 13th July 2012, 10:59

Originally Posted by Katman

It's a shame that we've become a society too stupid to learn from the mistakes of others though.

And in some cases fail to learn from their own mistakes

**Katman** · 13th July 2012, 11:05

Take Grantman for example.

Who couldn't have foreseen that one coming?

**Voltaire** · 13th July 2012, 11:10

Originally Posted by Murray

And in some cases fail to learn from their own mistakes

Don't worry the next generation will be 50 metre apartment dwellers glued to a screen, working in mind numbing jobs thanks to the edukation sistem we have.....the rest will go to OZ.

There are far more important things going on than " oh no my bike is expensive to register"

**Murray** · 13th July 2012, 11:14

Originally Posted by Voltaire

There are far more important things going on than " oh no my bike is expensive to register"

Yeah, like when will BFTP ride again?? and why does none of the group seem interested in the classic bike show 04 August.???

Maybe more will get into older bikes as registration is way cheaper for 40 year old bikes. Could be the way to go!!!!

**Voltaire** · 13th July 2012, 11:47

Originally Posted by Murray

Yeah, like when will BFTP ride again?? and why does none of the group seem interested in the classic bike show 04 August.???

Maybe more will get into older bikes as registration is way cheaper for 40 year old bikes. Could be the way to go!!!!

Dunno, I ride every day but since I have got into a bit of classic racing, buckets and ART days road riding has sort of lost its appeal.

As for the Classic Bike show, polished garage queens don't do it for me, if they had an area for bikes that are actually used and a swap meet I'd be more interested....if I want to see classic bikes I can see them at Puke and HD actually being ridden

I keep my Norton registered all year as its only $117.00, and on the lookout for a cheap 1973 BMW as you could easily run one every day and they can be made to go quite well : whistle:

**HenryDorsetCase** · 13th July 2012, 12:09

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Then there was the girl in Nelson knocked off her scooter by hoons, should she be penalised by ACC as well as the hoons?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/7...rider-off-road
(Physical injuries nothing like those of Paul's post admittedly.)

Saw a hi-vis rider, riding in typical hi-vis cautious style, nearly smeared up the guardrail in the gorge the other evening, showing bad shit happens to even careful riders.

Get away frothe insurance and literation and blame models. They only provide false hope. Real change comes from co-operation, shared risk and benefit.

confused thinking. the word "penalised" is the clue there

the confusion seems to be between criminal sanction, (that is the "hoons" get punished and the no fault scheme which pays the injured rider a part of her salary while she recovers and her medial costs of that recovery. Read Morgan's thing again.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 13th July 2012, 12:10

Originally Posted by Katman

Take Grantman for example.

Who couldn't have foreseen that one coming?

the best thing was the new username and attempt to sell teh bike.....

**bogan** · 13th July 2012, 12:20

Originally Posted by Katman

It's a shame that we've become a society too stupid to learn from the mistakes of others though.

It is, though nobody has yet put forward a theory as to how generalised risk based levies will cause this to happen though? A far more powerful tool is rider/driver aptitude testing. I guess those who are responsible for the difficulty of the test see the road toll as acceptable payment for the right of personal transportation.

**avgas** · 13th July 2012, 14:36

Originally Posted by Katman

Take Grantman for example.

Who couldn't have foreseen that one coming?

Not him

Smacked him in the fucken face

If only our mums had slapped us more when we were younger. Then we could have avoided all of this and join the foreign legion.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th July 2012, 14:42

Originally Posted by Katman

Take Grantman for example.

Who couldn't have foreseen that one coming?

What did I miss?

**bogan** · 13th July 2012, 14:43

Originally Posted by avgas

Not him

Smacked him in the fucken face

If only our mums had slapped us more when we were younger. Then we could have avoided all of this and join the foreign legion.

There was another guy too recently, where he posted up the crash vid, a few months after starting a thread asking for wheelie tips, or was it the same guy?

**GarethMorgan** · 13th July 2012, 14:56

More thoughts on comments from here and other places... http://garethsworld.com/park-up-emotion/

**Murray** · 13th July 2012, 14:57

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

What did I miss?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...otorcycle-noob

Read the whole thing

But I believe he is still on here and still using the same name. Praise the Lord