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Just a quick guess - but I can imagine you have never read "The Fountainhead".Originally Posted by GarethMorgan
Shame really as what you have said in the post echo's the sentiment of Ellsworth Toohey, re:
Council of American Writers, the Council of American Builders, and the Council of American Artists.
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Well 1st thing I noticed is you finally came out & said it (in different words), MOTO NZ is a bunch ofnothing more than an attempt to make the rape more palatable to bikers.
Change your false & misleading name! MOTO NZ "Motorcyclists Own The Options - Helping all kinds of riders"
You said it right there in point 1 & 2, Motorbikes ain't your interest & you sure as hell ain't "helping All kinds of riders", ACC is your interest. MOTONZ is nothing more than an ACC battyboy making your organizations name both false & misleading. Get it changed!
And everyone is subsidized, so stop with the "if we payed full" sh*t. If everyone paid full no-one could afford to do anything. ACC's got more money than it currently needs & unless you're a totally worthless economist you know this. The only reason for increases is privatization something that should NEVER be allowed to happen.
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I think it is you who is confused by the technicalities of the no fault system. While no-fault technically means what you describe, the mandate for no-fault came from the people (I forget the proper word for this), it only works in a socialist system, where people pay more according to their means, than their risk. Obviously, as you have seen, the people will no longer be happy with the 'no fault' aspect if we are charged more for being victims.
I'd also like to add, instead of insulting bikers by inflating the accident stats and telling us to get real, or get a grip. Maybe you should do your job on the MOTONZ, and attempt to reduce the road toll. Failing that, step down and give somebody with the requisite skills a chance, we would like to see value for our money. I mean seriously, your articles read like they were written by 13 year olds, the 'agree with me or you're an idiot' tone only shows you in a bad light.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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Oh dear. Never nice to see someone get badly hurt as unsurprising as it may be.
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"Thinking that the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council is a lobby group for motorcyclists. It is nothing of the sort it is a group of riders who are appointed by the Minister of ACC to provide advice as to how to get the motorcyclist injury rate down."
I didn't ask for it and it doesn't represent me so why then why do I have to pay for it?
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Yep, read it and agree whole heartedly that many motorcyclists think that MOTO NZ is an organisation set up "for them".
When patently we know it is NOT.
it is set up to help the ACC's rape of our levies seem fairer by making it look like they care and have given motorcyclists something to do.
Correct me if I'm wrong Gareth.
About the risk assessment being changed years ago to reflect motorcyclists extra risk.
Crap Gareth, it happened in 2009 when they cried ACC is broke and people who cost us more to fix are from now on going to pay more, because that's fair!
The Govt of the day ( Nat's) made it look like they were finally bring bikes into line with other road users, when in fact what they were doing was making us the first target, if they got us dried out over a barrel the rest would be easy.They played on the general public's dislike of a minority of bikers who have always been fools and idiots and sold the whole country a pup!.
Now here we are.
This is KB, a dangerous place at any time, you and Mrkiwi have come here ostensibly to see if you can get us to help you.
In reality you are here bashing us and telling us we need to get our injury rate down.
OK, I can live with that and don't disagree that, that would be a good start.
But don't for one moment think that we are all going to go off spouting that Gareth and the MOtONZ council are right, that the figures are correct because we too have done our homework and we know the lies and mistruths are multiplying and that addition is being aided by you guys.
You mention things that this council of yours is doing, all of it has been started years ago by bike organisations and council engineers and roading officials who gave a damn, nothing that you have come up with , at least to date is new and acceptable.
If there is new and exciting stuff that might make us a happier bunch, please, feel free to tell us.
Give us a spiel about Hi Viz and recommend it be done and God help you Gareth Morgan, it does nothing except add cost to an already expensive mode of transport.
Oh, yes while I'm at it.
Bikes are for you ( your adventures make wonderful reading your charity's aided and funded by riding around the world are duly noted) and I'd wager most if not all of the MOTIO NZ council are a play thing, something to be dragged out of the garage everytime it's not raining and you have nothing else to do except go for a ride.
Well , News Flash, many of us here have and do rely on our bikes for daily transport, every day regardless of weather or traffic conditions.
For most of us a bike is NOT a luxury, for most of us our salary's are not in the 6 figure bracket, yet this seems to be the slant from you and Govt when they speak of us publicly.
Change just that and I'd be a little more inclined to listen.
Make car(oh and Truck drivers who cant see headlights at 75 meters) drivers aware of bikes, make the govt some recommendations that others haven't already done and perhaps we'll tolerate you're being there to spend "our" bloody thieved $30.00 each, on each and every bike we own.
Stop them from making year long rego compulsory as I'm sure they are about to do.
Make a damned difference that we can see works and we'll help.
Stop telling us we're idiots and don't know what to do.
Make govt see that given the right incentives Bikers will clean up their own backyard.
But to do that you guys need to be disbanded and the Govt needs to put the funds and the assistance of each and every roading contractor and council in the hands of a duly elected national group of actual motorcyclists.
People who don't live in glass bowls on mountain tops, who do know what it's like to ride on NZ's shit roads with other motorists who know they can run us off the road and won't get caught.
There you go a reasoned and non derogatory response.
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Worse than that, if they are only providing advice (I actually thought they were there to use and manage the $30 levy), your $30 will just be going into ACC's general funds.
A good part of me thinks Gareth is just sick of doing fuck-all on the council, and this is him falling on his sword. Actually, stepping on his peers to climb up a notch in JK's books is probably a more apt evaluation.
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Fuck this place is full of retards.
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
you called?
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Looks like an admin on the MOTONZ site has spat the dummy and disabled comments there, maybe they got tired of listening to our priorites
If I still paid bike rego I'd be really annoyed I think
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I think you're doing the job for him quite nicely Mark.
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If all you pillocks bitching about your thirty fucking dollars put as much effort into figuring out ways to reduce our crash stats we'd have had the problem solved long ago.
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Don't forget it is 30 per bike, per year. Maybe we just lack guidance into how best to effect such a change. They should make some organisation to figure this stuff out for us right?
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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