Aio ki te Aorangi
Ta... at least I woke up first and didn't redecorate my wife... gotta be glad for some small mercies. There's no argument considering I'm rightOriginally Posted by FJRider
I hope you are better ... and getting better still. A clear head is better to argue in these forums ...
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Hardcore Biker
The % of those that didn't vote ... made the election result .... what it was. I'm sure you thank them for not voting.
ONLY numbers that DID vote count ... AND MATTER ...
It didn't bother me ... I found it a great source of amusement ... for which I thank them ...
To quote a fellow KB'r ... Perzactly ...
So if it's paid for ... please explain the billions of $$$ of national (excuse the pun) deficit ... ??? We are all still paying and will continue to do so for some time.:
See above re: Infrastructure paid for.
You are stiil paying for yesterdays services ... the cheque in the mail ??? ... work again tomorrow ... if so, I hope it's a well paying job.
The paying of taxes (or not) is not a choice ... if you choose to live and work in NZ. It amuses me ... you think it is ...
you seem to be easily amused
I pay taxes regardless of where I live...it is the price we pay to live in a society in which not only the most ruthless survive.
I am quite happy to pay for education, as I would like the future generation that will run this country, part of the world, and/or the rest of the world to be educated.
I pay taxes, so that this country, and any other i may live in, is able to provide health care to all its citizens.
I pay taxes, so that this country and any other i may live in (or have lived in) provide for roading, and other means of transportation. The more people use the train/bus/tram, the better for me. I like roads without cars....more fun for me.
I could go on an on about why i pay taxes, it does not bother me the least, as I truly believe that it is the price for a happy, healthy and well to do society.
Re: infrastruction is not paid for? you mean the generations before me and you did not pay taxes, did not build dams, hospitals, schools, roading etc?
All of it was provided by the great "came before us fairy"?
i however do not pay taxes to provide a political party with money to sell the family silver in order to do what exactly? Pay back debt? The ones caused by a destroyed city? by bailing out insurance companies that forgot to properly insure their own risk? by bailing out banks that lost gambling in the great bet of derivatives? and credit default swaps? Seriously, i am to believe that?
So really If any party of any country will want me to support the idea that the selling of natural resources on which the well being of the populace depends on is a good thing, that the privatization of the distribution of said natural resources is a good thing than they have to provide me with convincing arguments.
And a plan to finally create jobs with living wages. Because once the water resources, and the hydro dams, and all other "assets" have been sold, we all will need much more money to pay for our Water use, our Electricity, our Tolls our Food etc.
squeek squeek
Just faidin away!
Actually, I believe you are right on the button ... "Green is the new red" ... It would not surprise me if they really put pressure on Labour in the next election!
As said earlier, shuffling and rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic ... same difference but it should clear by now that Labour does not and never will deliver!
Any political party in NZ that doesn't pander to the (brain washed) socialist minded electorate is doomed to failure in any election! (or the next)
They are all (including National) publicly leaning left while wondering how to implement sneaky right leaning policies to actually get some forward traction going!
Sort of like trying to secure second base while still keeping their foot on first base ... it always ends up painful! ... for the bloody taxpayer though, damn it!
Every country in the world is crammed up to it's neck in debt, yes, every country in the world! ... To whom are they in debt? ... IMHO to the "real" 1%!
Until financial control is taken away from the "real" 1% and restored to each sovereign nation to control for their own benefit, the politicians of each and every one of those countries shall remain impotent and ineffective!
If you don't believe this by now, just take a look around the world and decide for yourself ... Problems created by man can be solved by man!
Why is this not happening ... who benefits? ... Well it certainly isn't the 99% ... is it!
Royal Enfield user
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-without-water/
posted in another thread , but basically this is true , ( a bit sensationalist ) , happening in NZ if coca cola build their new plant in Canterbury, you have the chance to stop it now ...
On saying that , we waste too much water , mono cultures ( single crops ) non grey water toilets , watering a non sustainable lawn .......
The sooner people wake up the better
and I think some are
Stephen
ps , the Indian woman Shiva is a double ( i think from memory ) Nobel prize winning nuclear scientist ......so might be a wee bit gifted in the grey matter , before the Illuminati of KB try their hand
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Smarty pants... since ages ago
By people that have little understanding ...
Paid for ... with borrowed money. When are you intending to pay back your share ... ???
You pay tax because you have to ... by law. Which is then used by the elected goverment of the people .. and elected members of the political parties ... in the manner to which they are entitled ... under current leglislation.
What you believe those taxes should be spent on (or not), or anything else you believe ... matters little. I doubt if Our Dear Leader cares if you dont like his policies.
Refer to above. re: my comment on ... What you believe ...
They are the elected (by the people) goverment ... and acting within current legislation guidelines ...
Don't like it ... vote them out next election.
Ask your boss for a pay rise ... it might come in handy later .... ok ... SOON
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
Smarty pants... since ages ago
She would be more pleased than you for that I'm sure ... blood is difficult to wash out. And the pain of your broken bones would be hard to bear for her. You might have had to leave ... (if only on a stretcher)Ta... at least I woke up first and didn't redecorate my wife... gotta be glad for some small mercies. There's no argument considering I'm right
You're only right if you agree with me ...
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
Forum whore
Yes it is easier, as they have less and they often invalidate themselves as Human Beings all by their lazy arse selfs
And yes Im superior, I have never been on a bennifit
No because I have had a Job and dont expect anything from the Government in the way of support I have Insurance, Health, Income, you see this is what a responsible hard working NZr does.
Nope you dont work you dont contribute = you dont Vote.
This country has been held back by PC fucking unemployed Bludgers for decades, fuck em...............they can get over it !!
IS it better to live in a country that encourages masses to suckle on the tax payers teat indefinitely, encouraging ZERO personal growth
Nope
p.s there are beggars everywhere anyway !!
troglodytam extraordinaire
Yes they were/are as Labours grand plan was to borrow even more money, put up the pension age and bring on CGTSo low it's underground eh... fuck yeah that makes it sound cool.
Why are/were they more likely to bring us out of the hole? Especially after they cut their tax revenue at the start of a recession/depression and have to borrow to cover the shortfall. Reports (yes unfortunately I'm "quoting" the media) say 1.1 billion in the first 9 months. Surely that's taking us even further into the hole? It would seem overseas borrowing has trebled under (45 billion as opposed to 15 billion, RBNZ figures that I've posted before) the current govt. Further into the hole? Then bailing out SCF (did they really have to pay interest as well?). Then the earthquakes ($30 billion over 10 years?) and still not a peep in regards to upping taxation, just more borrowing. Further into the hole? Granted the opposition may well have had to borrow from overseas too, but they were also going to tap into a currently untapped revenue source (CGT on housing) as well as others considering a financial transaction tax. Maybe they would have put the tax brackets back too. Granted I see no reason that any party would have done any better than the Nats, but we'd have still had out assets for when the next recession came along.
Ad for the labs. How did they waste their money? When was the last time a govt saved money? Don't they invest it these days?
So you're a flip flop voter who wants his vote to count so badly that you'll only vote for a winner... with a social conscience blip in between times. Each to his own I guess
Guess what other country's have done that, If you said Greece you would be right (not the CGT bit)
I have never been in favor of bailing out anyone
Politics is all about compromise as you will never find a party that you agree with all they say/do.
And I have never had a social conscience, I voted of SC as like ACT they wanted to lock criminals away.
I may change how I vote but at least I do
Just faidin away!
With all due respect BD, the opening scenes of the video explain what the real problem is, the people have no water no work and apparently no hope!
Directly behind the man getting out of bed is a high mountain range, covered in snow and ice ... water!
The only ingredients required to fill all their needs are there except "money" a man made book keeping service!
That which is socially, physically and spiritually possible and desirable, should be made financially possible ... and this is a perfect example!
The only thing that prevents them from having all the water they need, is greed, yes, the greed of the 1% who control the worlds monetary systems.
The real 1% (who keep the world dancing to their own tune for their own benefit!) prevent these thing from materialising by creating "all" new money or credit ... as an interest bearing debt!
This initial man made act commences the choking cost debt spiral that eventually drives world monetary system into eventual bankruptcy!
What's in it for the 1%?
Power, control and never ever having to want for anything ever again ... IMO,the worst form of slavery, ever!
Aio ki te Aorangi
She would be more pleased than you for that I'm sure ... blood is difficult to wash out. And the pain of your broken bones would be hard to bear for her. You might have had to leave ... (if only on a stretcher)
You're only right if you agree with me ...
Damn, there's always someone who knows better... or at least thinks they do.
I seem to remember Goff saying that he'd borrow $20 billion, you could argue that he was up front about it... meanwhile the current govt are $30 billion and counting.Yes they were/are as Labours grand plan was to borrow even more money, put up the pension age and bring on CGT
Guess what other country's have done that, If you said Greece you would be right (not the CGT bit)
I have never been in favor of bailing out anyone
Politics is all about compromise as you will never find a party that you agree with all they say/do.
And I have never had a social conscience, I voted of SC as like ACT they wanted to lock criminals away.
I may change how I vote but at least I do
The UK are in the throws of upping the pension age. They also have a CGT. I don't agree with the pension age rise, but I've lived with a CGT before and saw minimal pain even though I only ever sold 1 house. Bring it in if it means borrowing less... and you can be damn sure I'd back a financial transaction tax if it removes GST from the equation.
That's been true so far, probably will stay that way until people start looking out for people instead of believing that the all powerful economy is what is required for people to be looked after successfully. So I see no reason that I should vote for such insanity, just because I can choose the lesser of any evil.
I'm more than happy for criminals/people to be locked away, but that's becoming less and less of a want these days... primarily see ways of nullifying the need to commit the crimes in the first place, or at least accepting some "criminal" behaviour with certain conditions. If I can think of these things, my low bar n all, then the only excuse the rest of them have left is because they have entitlement issues. Moderately amusing given that that's what they accuse the "bludgers" of. There shouldn't be compromise where there is an obvious course of action to be taken. Unfortunately that requires the removal of self "aspiration".
Royal Enfield user
Yes I agree ,, these types of documentary film tend to be , as I said ,,a bit sensationalist , but the basic premise is true; ( except those mountains are pretty damn big !!!)With all due respect BD, the opening scenes of the video explain what the real problem is, the people have no water no work and apparently no hope!
Directly behind the man getting out of bed is a high mountain range, covered in snow and ice ... water!
The only ingredients required to fill all their needs are there except "money" a man made book keeping service!
That which is socially, physically and spiritually possible and desirable, should be made financially possible ... and this is a perfect example!
The only thing that prevents them from having all the water they need, is greed, yes, the greed of the 1% who control the worlds monetary systems.
The real 1% (who keep the world dancing to their own tune for their own benefit!) prevent these thing from materializing by creating "all" new money or credit ... as an interest bearing debt!
This initial man made act commences the choking cost debt spiral that eventually drives world monetary system into eventual bankruptcy!
What's in it for the 1%?
Power, control and never ever having to want for anything ever again ... IMO,
you privatize the industry , ( started way before margret and ronnie) let companies who specialize , do what they do best . and then everyone is happy. and probably if people could afford the water , then yes a brand new system of good clean water would appear and it would work .....
but the other factors come into play , they dont earn enough to afford the utility in the first place , as you pointed out ,
Now its all a matter of degrees
One of the persons speaking on that Video , Shiva ( the red dot lady ) runs a seed recovery farm in india , and has stuck it to monsanto , a few times ,,go that woman ( she also is physicist.)
Unfortunately , while things such as say education aren’t essential ( you wont get sick if you don’t get ejamakated ) , Water is , and in this day and age electricity is becoming so ,
So I say again ,please do not sell your assets , it will be a mistake New Zealand (ers) will regret . Some NEED to be run as a state dept , with a separate independent watchdog ( with teeth)
Water is one
Stephen
Ps , Farmers can pull their socks up , the amount they waste , and as for watering the lawn in chch....grrrrr
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Royal Enfield user
Ps , I threw down the gauntlet , to those who want to privatize,,,we hat one possible Telecom
I get , flack from some for not providing evidence , which is so far removed from the truth ,
yet when I ask ,,,,silence
I thought as much
Stephen
Question , Which companies SOE have after privatization , provided a better/cheaper service as per the mantra of the new right ?
1. Telecom at some stage , but the question remain how
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Just faidin away!
Electricity was never "privatised" it was "deregulated" and the government grabbed a bigger slice of the pie than they ever had previously!
Royal Enfield user
Snip from wiki
New Zealand's electrical energy generation, previously state-owned as in most countries, was corporatised, deregulated and partly sold off over the last two decades of the twentieth century, following a model typical in the Western world. However, much of the generation and retail sectors, as well as the entire transmission sector, remains under government ownership as state-owned enterprises.
The reformist Fourth Labour Government corporatised the Electricity Division as a State Owned Enterprise in 1987, as the Electricity Corporation of New Zealand (ECNZ), which traded for a period as Electricorp. The Fourth National Government went further, reforming EPBs and MEDs to become commercial companies in charge of distribution and retailing.
In 1994, ECNZ's transmission business was split off as Transpower. In 1996, ECNZ was split again, with a new generation business, Contact Energy, being formed. The Fourth National Government privatised Contact Energy in 1999. From 1 April 1999, the remainder of ECNZ was split again, with the major assets formed into three new SOEs (Mighty River Power, Genesis Power and Meridian Energy) and with the minor assets being sold off.[10] On the same date, local power companies were reformed to separate distribution and retailing, with the retail side of the business sold off, mainly to generation companies.
Question still stands
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Aio ki te Aorangi
Just been chatting with a colleague over smoko and he mentioned this: The Shock Doctrine... scarey enough to read on Wiki let alone in paper back. He offered me the book but I turned him down, most likely from a keeping my sanity perspective, but more likely because I have no doubt that these tactics are used by those who you cannot deny.
See also highlights: Shock therapy (economics)... I found the second paragraph particularly apt given the pace of change being rammed through by our dear glorious cunt head, sorry, leader.
"In economics, shock therapy refers to the sudden release of price and currency controls, withdrawal of state subsidies, and immediate trade liberalization within a country, usually also including large scale privatization of previously public owned assets.
There are two types of shock therapy. The first was championed by economist Milton Friedman and which later became absorbed into the group of ideas that formed neoliberalism. The second was championed by economist Jeffrey Sachs. The chief difference between the two types of shock therapy is the emphasis on economic liberalisation. Neoliberal shock therapy views economic stability as an outcome of economic liberalisation, while Sachs' shock therapy views liberalisation as a necessary means to economic stabilisation. The neoliberal variant of shock therapy argues that government intervention is the cause of all economic and monetary chaos, and therefore rapid economic liberalisation (shock therapy) is always the best answer to such chaos, and always includes the large scale privatisation of publicly owned assets. Sach's ideas are based on studying historic periods of monetary and economic crisis and noting that a decisive stroke could end monetary chaos, often in a day."
Unfortunately the only response I can muster at the moment is Baaaaaa, baaaaaa, baaaaaa accompanied with a smug feeling of I knew it was true. It would seem that some are celebrated for suggesting such irresponsible behaviour towards their fellow man for financial gain. Perhaps I will get the book off him... it could speed my heading to the dole up.
Governing by textbook. Pathetic weak men.
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