Asset sale protests!

[BoristheBiter]

Well I may as well be, like Brian said we're behind the times...
Was it the Nats or Labour that put the "Buy NZ Made " labelling attempt ( a Green initiative) to rest?
Probably has (had )something to do with trade deals

No that wasnt directed at you Mr D,I have way more respect for you 'cause you ride a bike Bro...

Labour when they signed the free trade agreement with China.

There still are the labels, just everyone wants things as cheap as possible now.
And there is no point in fixing as you can buy a new one cheaper.

[oldrider]

We are (maybe not you) in a country that survives by exports so to get the trade deal we have to open our borders up to overseas.
Now I for one do not agree with this and will try and buy NZ made when I can, It has to be good quality.

I have seen in under 30 years basically everything be made off shore now.

Take my line of work.
Back when I was an apprentice there was a company of around 100 making cranes from scratch.
One person can now do the same job as it can be imported cheaper than made here so it is only assembly work now.

I wonder what the combined total in Union fees for those enterprise workers over that same period would add up to?

Do you think those workers got value for money? ....

The thought simply went through my head as I read your post, nothing personal, nothing sinister, just a thought!

[BoristheBiter]

I wonder what the combined total in Union fees for those enterprise workers over that same period would add up to?

Do you think those workers got value for money? ....

The thought simply went through my head as I read your post, nothing personal, nothing sinister, just a thought!

When i was still in it was about $3.50 a week, so
60 guys on the floor,210 a week, 10920 a year, 327'600 over 30 years.

Funny how none of the union reps never lost their jobs, but that's a whole new thread.

But 60 guys had jobs with health care, private super, and award wages which at the time was pretty good.

[Robert Taylor]

As ive said many times before its not left or right , green blue , but a style of economics and ideology , ( I mean NEW Labour !!) that leave Most of us in a squeezed position , for want of a better word.
The revolution IS happening NOW , those inner city , housing estates are very interesting places to live. The ones that can afford move away or into protected areas ( gated communities ) ..all because of a non egalitarian economic ideal. ( from the ticket clippers in Chicago )

Ive often view NZ as 15 years behind Britain , so some disquiet may happen ,,,I wouldn’t be surprised if it did or didn’t.

The Main point is; A style of economic theory is running amok and will cause great stress for the average person , It doesn’t need to be like that and shouldn’t be like that

How we get back to what we had ,

See my list; ( the one I posted before ) and shun consumerism. buy once , good quality, repairable, and start enjoying having less .....

We might even have to default on the loan. But at the very least we should stop borrowing ( YOU AND I , private debt )


Stephen

Actually much of what you have said makes perfect sense, its a matter of varying opinions on how we got there. Overinflating property prices ( someone else eluded to that ) I have to concur with, its criminal and speculative. There is nothing wrong with accumulating wealth, as long as its actually doing something useful and carrying people along with you.

[Brian d marge]

I vote we all stop agreeing ,,,,this is KB remember

Stephen

[FJRider]

I vote we all stop agreeing ,,,,this is KB remember

Stephen

I agree .... DAM ... !!! I've started doing it now too ...

[mashman]

I shall restore balance

Margaret Thatcher is living proof of an effective leader running a successful administration, we need more with her guts and determination.

As well as killing the manufacturing industry in the UK. Shutting down the mines. Destroying the car industry. Most likely others, but I'll have a chat with my mum about that at the weekend hopefully. She "was" a Thatcher fan and studied history and politics off the back of that... only to be unable to get a job teaching as education started to suffer through lack of "investment" as (tax cuts) Maggie stuck the boot in on the public sector. I'll admit she was a strong leader, but she had a booming economy at her fingertips as the fiat money system took hold after decimalisation... and as that was over twenty years ago, I doubt we'll ever see her likes again as the economy just isn't there to support what needs to be done. The issues we have now where just starting back then. As much as she did good she was the first of the anti-social PM's imho... and with her buddy Ronnie they put growth and business before the needs of the population and here we are today. The "system" they helped to put in place is destroying life as we knew it. Sure you can call that dramatic, but I don't see it as being anything other than true.

[puddytat]

Dont for get the Malvinas...

[SPman]

When she finally snuffs it, I hope she'll have remained true to her beliefs and have made arrangements to pay for her own state funeral......

[oldrider]

Couched in the simplest of terms, current asset sale plans mean:


Government are going to call for 49% freedom of choice (private) investment in these assets! .. The other 51% remains as compulsory (taxpayer) investment!


Personally, as a taxpayer I can't see too much wrong with that as an alternative to total compulsory taxpayer investment!

(Doesn't mean we all have to agree it will work as planned but taxpayers select these people to do this job for them knowing what they intend to do!)

Hmmm, at least the private investor will get a "choice" in where they spend "their own money"!

Currently the government simply steals the money off the taxpayer at gun point and does what ever they like with it! (Now this part really pisses me off!)

[Brian d marge]

Couched in the simplest of terms, current asset sale plans mean:


Government are going to call for 49% freedom of choice (private) investment in these assets! .. The other 51% remains as compulsory (taxpayer) investment!


Personally, as a taxpayer I can't see too much wrong with that as an alternative to total compulsory taxpayer investment!

(Doesn't mean we all have to agree it will work as planned but taxpayers select these people to do this job for them knowing what they intend to do!)

Hmmm, at least the private investor will get a "choice" in where they spend "their own money"!

Currently the government simply steals the money off the taxpayer at gun point and does what ever they like with it! (Now this part really pisses me off!)

And if it get listed on the Australian market , OR ANY off shore investor , your money will leave NZ , where at least the Govn put it in the sluch fun before sending it overseas
Stephen

[oneofsix]

And if it get listed on the Australian market , OR ANY off shore investor , your money will leave NZ ,

And then the complaints will start about our spiralling overseas debt and how we should stop buying bikes and TV etc

[Brian d marge]

And then the complaints will start about our spiralling overseas debt and how we should stop buying bikes and TV etc

well actually , you should stop buying ,

buy once , buy quality , buy Enfield ( or if you are an overseas investor ) Buy Nz

Stephen

[oneofsix]

well actually , you should stop buying ,

buy once , buy quality , buy Enfield ( or if you are an overseas investor ) Buy Nz

Stephen

and when they have bought NZ we will have no way to make money so the Govt will have to rely solely on taxes, robbing the poor. Whereas with the assets they would make more money keeping them and be able to reduce taxes long term (well not put them up as much).

[Brian d marge]

and when they have bought NZ we will have no way to make money so the Govt will have to rely solely on taxes, robbing the poor. Whereas with the assets they would make more money keeping them and be able to reduce taxes long term (well not put them up as much).

Robbing the poor ,,,Far to old fashioned its called empowering the middle classes now

Bags, I’m friar Tuck , when the balloon goes up !

Stephen

We need Errol Flynn , he could save us !