That's impressive considering that he was born on the 26th August 1947.Originally Posted by Voltaire
Curmudgeon
That's impressive considering that he was born on the 26th August 1947.
Bored Room
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
The Fedaykin
"Meurant served in the New Zealand Police between 1966 and 1987" - wikipedia
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion"
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Correct. Straight out of plod school and doing things by-the-book. He stated exactly that on the telly the other night.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Just faidin away!
Devise a new tactic that embraces your groups strong points while attacking the oppositions weaknesses that result in maximum impact in your own groups favour!
To keep being effective you also have to be able to repeat the action quickly, anywhere, any time, with minimum negative impact on your own group.
I.E.
When you are swimming in the ocean and a big shark suddenly appears, you get alarmed.
That alarm manifests into dysfunctional panic when you don't know where it is, what it is doing and when it might come back.
OK, Nick Smith and ACC made their move on motorcyclists ... how long ago????
Motorcyclists reacted and fizzled away ... are ACC and Nick etc concerned about where we are, what we are doing, or that we might come back?
Yeah right ... they gave us Gareth and his little group to spend a bit of the dosh they stole off us! .... Well that fixed it I'm sure! (place sarcasm smiley here!)
And how long ago was that?
SH1 rider
What is the new tactic you are proposing? Every time another ride has been proposed the nay seers have said that the first one achieved nothing and that another would be a waste of time and yet you say it did achieve somethingDevise a new tactic that embraces your groups strong points while attacking the oppositions weaknesses that result in maximum impact in your own groups favour!
To keep being effective you also have to be able to repeat the action quickly, anywhere, any time, with minimum negative impact on your own group.
I.E.
When you are swimming in the ocean and a big shark suddenly appears, you get alarmed.
That alarm manifests into dysfunctional panic when you don't know where it is, what it is doing and when it might come back.
OK, Nick Smith and ACC made their move on motorcyclists ... how long ago????
Motorcyclists reacted and fizzled away ... are ACC and Nick etc concerned about where we are, what we are doing, or that we might come back?
Yeah right ... they gave us Gareth and his little group to spend a bit of the dosh they stole off us! .... Well that fixed it!
And how long ago was that?
Cornered by Cougars
Fair cop!
But not this?
Pretty sure that tips the history of film making over on it's head
The Fedaykin
The U.S. Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration published this national agenda for motorcycle safety. Makes for very interesting reading.
www.msf-usa.org/Downloads/NAMS_print.pdf
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion"
Bored Room
Interesting reading , I was surprised by the amount of alcohol impaired riders 36%.
Glad I sold my sports bike as they appear to damage your lucky sac in an accident much like the old Triumphs tank rack. Cruiser tank speedos also were sac unfriendly.
Modified bikes were more likely to be involved than standard bikes.
Spoke wheels are also bad as the tyre deflates.....
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
Amen to that!
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
"channellling the Pleideans"
paint your face brown, and go to the waitangi tribunal saying that riding a motorbike is part of the tikanga. Dont forget to get legal aid to the tune of a couple hundred large on the way thruWhat is the new tactic you are proposing? Every time another ride has been proposed the nay seers have said that the first one achieved nothing and that another would be a waste of time and yet you say it did achieve something
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
You know those Gold wings with air bags? I've often thought that airbag should be about a foot lower and a foot further back.... cushion the nadgers. You could do it on a goldwing and most modern bikes too: the fuel is under the seat and the "tank" is mostly airbox.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
Hardcore Biker
No, I've been away with work and not near a computer (quite refreshing to be away from a computer). Just catching up on reading now. Some of the reading is quite interesting and most of it has been been said before. It's useful to have it in one thread on this site though...
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
Apology then for the assumption...
You say most of this has been 'said before' but is useful in one thread.... so can we ask, if this has been voiced before, why are none of these concerns being 'openly' debated or investigated? Like I would, and guess most of us here; if presented with a healthy factual debate... (oh hang on this is KiwiBiker) I feel there could be forward movement of some description. In the end according to the 'brief' MotoNZ is supposed to represent us, the Motorcyclist. At present it really does appear that, having been given the brief... it is being pursued 'in house'. Many of us out here also have decades of riding experience, and in other countries. Yet we are seemingly not expected/competent/viable enough to have input into our future?
No one from the 'pro hi vis' side of the arguement can show quantitative research that proves absolute hi-vis will indeed save lives, just like compulsory headlights 'reduced' fatal accidents. Qualitative research is simply based on 'personal perception/feelings', not on 'hard facts'.
My simple belief is this..... Education should come before Legislation....
Give Motorcyclists the opportunity to upskill, improve accident statistics of 'self inflicted' incidents then if after say 5yrs plus? Then if there IS a proven need for intervention by an authority to improve that safety record. They can at least with a clear conscience say..."we gave you the chance"
Right now how I would 'percieve' MotoNZ ACC etc is similar to the current Govt's thinking.... you voted us in, so you already accepted our policies (asset sales)
except we DIDNT vote MotoNZ in. I for one certainly do not accept this arguement 'for' over Hi-vis for a starter. it is not researched as a specific in the motorcycle environment, and to attempt to apply thinking that 'it can be seen roadside' when worn by road workers and emergency services, or even in my workplace (kiwirail) the wearer is 90% of the time either stationary, in a localalised situation or moving slowly. They are NOT moving at any real speed and changing 'location' rapidly or, merging into (blending) traffic or rapidly moving in and out of differing levels of light/shadow, colouring or 'background'.
When and I mean WHEN I see Quantitative statistical research performed on motorcycle specific hi-vis, conducted in 'real world' situations in all types of environments/weather/traffic levels/road and weather conditions which proves there is an even 20% improvement in accident figures or proven conspicuity? I will join the 'dayglo' club.
As an obvious question... if a high percentage of our 'accident' rate is 'self inflicted' (loss of control) with no other vehicle involved... how in any real conscience can a group who is to 'represent' motorcyclists NOT be yelling LOUD, proud and public-ally in the media for advanced training to be sanctioned, way before this 'political donkey' and hi vis IS a political vehicle. From my limited understanding the traditional view of Govt/Police is that advanced training creates overconfidence.... surely MotoNZ could be most excellently employed in getting THAT donkey to move its lazy arse in the right direction?
Yours (and I guess you can say a cynical A hole)
GW
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
Fair weather rider
Well said that Man
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