Is bad driving compulsory?

**Blackbird** · 31st July 2012, 15:10

Originally Posted by Murray

Jeez your a brave man following that close (especially in picture 3) I would certainly be dropping back rather than almost tailgating!!

Duhhhhhh.... the close-up is just a crop of one of the others

**FJRider** · 31st July 2012, 15:11

Originally Posted by Murray

Jeez your a brave man following that close (especially in picture 3) I would certainly be dropping back rather than almost tailgating!!

It's enlarged from #2 ...

**Murray** · 31st July 2012, 15:16

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Duhhhhhh.... the close-up is just a crop of one of the others

Can only see 1 & 3/4 white line markings and maybe another in front of car???

My point is I would have been giving driving like that a long, long distance ahead, if he had hit something chances are you would have been involved as well.

There are so many idiots like that on the road that I just give them a 100 mtrs or so and look after myself.

**FJRider** · 31st July 2012, 15:18

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Then go see them again after they have crashed, and ask them if they knew it was going to happen before it happened. Of course they didn't, or they'd have prevented it.

And then tell you how many thousand times they've done it before with no problems ... and can't understand what went wrong this time. The road was clear as far as they could see ...

**Maha** · 31st July 2012, 15:38

Originally Posted by blue rider

Is bad driving compulsory?

No, it is a NZ virtue.

bad drivers teaching kids to be bad drivers teaching kids to be bad drivers, rinse repeat....ad nauseum.

There's your answer right there.
Ute man has been driving like that since he first got behind a wheel, and will continue to do so, thats how he drives..
And I dont even know him.

**raftn** · 31st July 2012, 19:15

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Duhhhhhh.... the close-up is just a crop of one of the others

You have the patience of a saint....

**Blackbird** · 1st August 2012, 13:39

To conclude this tale, I've just heard from the employee's company. For privacy reasons, I won't disclose details but it's fair to say that that the outcome was a good one for all parties.

The main thing to draw from this event is that we don't have to simply grizzle about poor examples of driving and that with a bit of thought, everyone can get a win out of it (Although the offender might not see it that way immediately!)

**Maha** · 1st August 2012, 14:54

Originally Posted by Blackbird

To conclude this tale, I've just heard from the employee's company. For privacy reasons, I won't disclose details but it's fair to say that that the outcome was a good one for all parties.

The main thing to draw from this event is that we don't have to simply grizzle about poor examples of driving and that with a bit of thought, everyone can get a win out of it (Although the offender might not see it that way immediately!)

Anyone caught driving in that manner should be made (by law) to complete a defensive driving course.
On a side note..this ''law'' would never apply to motorcyclists, because we are all squeaky clean with our riding habits.

**Daffyd** · 1st August 2012, 14:57

Originally Posted by Maha

Anyone caught driving in that manner should be made (by law) to complete a defensive driving course.
On a side note..this ''law'' would never apply to motorcyclists, because we are all squeaky clean with our riding habits.

Do I detect a note of sarcasm?

**Maha** · 1st August 2012, 15:21

Originally Posted by Daffyd

Do I detect a note of sarcasm?

I prefer the word....clarity.

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd August 2012, 09:06

Originally Posted by Bass

We may indeed be looking at a really crap piece of driving, but the photos alone wouldn't convict.

Don't be so sure of that...

Originally Posted by BMWST?

this is the crux of it...cutting corners per se is in the same realm as overtaking.It is not automatically wrong.

As above...

Originally Posted by FJRider

Failing to keep left covers it. Unless you are overtaking, with a hundred meters of clear visibility throughout the manouver ... yes it IS an offence.

Clearly ... overtaking was not the intention of any of the vehicles ... nor was there a hundred meters of clear visibility.

Exactly.

Periodically, cops will run 'sting' operations, where they set up a video or still camera overlooking a (set of) corner/s. The photos are used if the miscreant tries to deny or defend in court.
Unless one is swinging wide to avoid debris (say) in one's lane, there is NO excuse for crossing the centreline in a corner.

**FJRider** · 2nd August 2012, 18:06

Originally Posted by MSTRS

... Unless one is swinging wide to avoid debris (say) in one's lane, there is NO excuse for crossing the centreline in a corner.

To follow on from this ... "Swinging wide" to avoid debris (or a stationary vehicle) may be a reason/excuse for being on the wrong side of the road ... It is NO defence if you hit another vehicle while you are over there.

Even if you were "there first" ... or the old "But ... I had to, to avoid the rock in the middle of road" ... excuse is used .... It is NOT valid defence argument.

I have never actually heard of a valid defence arguement for hitting anything ... whilst on the wrong side of the road. I would be keen to hear one.

**Road kill** · 2nd August 2012, 20:08

Originally Posted by FJRider

To follow on from this ... "Swinging wide" to avoid debris (or a stationary vehicle) may be a reason/excuse for being on the wrong side of the road ... It is NO defence if you hit another vehicle while you are over there.

Even if you were "there first" ... or the old "But ... I had to, to avoid the rock in the middle of road" ... excuse is used .... It is NOT valid defence argument.

I have never actually heard of a valid defence arguement for hitting anything ... whilst on the wrong side of the road. I would be keen to hear one.

A white car cut me off,,,he's gone now.
A dog ran out in front of me,,,he's also gone now.
Now you can tell me something,,,,why is it always either a white car or a dog ?
Do these people have something against white cars an dogs,,,or just no imagination ?
Sorry,,it was in a different life,,you had to be there.

**BMWST?** · 2nd August 2012, 20:12

Originally Posted by rastuscat

If everyone kept to the left of the centreline all of the time, there'd be a lot less head on crashes.

I see problems with rigid adherence to road rules, but there are some that need some more diligence.

Nobody ever thinks they're going to have a crash, so nobody ever thinks they have to change their behaviour. Ask someone who's cut a corner if it was unsafe, and they'll draw out all the justifications about how they had a great view across the bend, how they are great drivers, how they never had a crash yadda yadda yadda.

Then go see them again after they have crashed, and ask them if they knew it was going to happen before it happened. Of course they didn't, or they'd have prevented it.

If everyone kept to the left of the centreline all of the time, there'd be a lot less head on crashes.

so you never cross the centreline to complete an overtaking manouvre?Whats the difference?

**FJRider** · 2nd August 2012, 21:27

Originally Posted by Road kill

A white car cut me off,,,he's gone now.
A dog ran out in front of me,,,he's also gone now.
Now you can tell me something,,,,why is it always either a white car or a dog ?
Do these people have something against white cars an dogs,,,or just no imagination ?

Anything excuse/story ... except ... "IT WAS MY FAULT"

Originally Posted by Road kill

Sorry,,it was in a different life,,you had to be there.

I'm glad I wasn't ...