American gun mania

[pritch]

Think about it - if the impact of a bullet hitting somebody really could sit them on their arse then the recoil of the gun being used would very likely do the same to the shooter using it...

That's it exactly. Can't remember the exact law (school was a looooong time ago), "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"?

Too many people think that what they see in the movies is real. Besides it's when the bad guy gets hit he goes sailing backwards, I can't recall that happening to the good guy. Maybe Hollywood has special bullets?

[Road kill]

Just finished looking through my favorite reloading manual.
Some interesting stuff written by the currently active American cop that wrote the whole article.
The standard factory .44mag load has a 180g projectile and it's that load that produces 18.5 lb of recoil.
You can load them with up to a 220g projectile which is only ever used in hunting situations and is considered good medicine for large bears and elk if you can get close enough to hit them.
Doesn't give recoil figures for that load though.
The same guy goes on to say that in a combat situation the .44 mag is not much use due to how long it takes to bring it back on line from recoil after the first shot.
The main thing he points out is that the .44mag is a hunting weapon,not a combat weapon.
In his work he shoots a .45 "non magnum" which is accurate,stays on line,follow up shoots are instant and it still makes a big hole in what ever it hits.
And dirty harry was just a funny movie.

[oneofsix]

That's it exactly. Can't remember the exact law (school was a looooong time ago), "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"?

Too many people think that what they see in the movies is real. Besides it's when the bad guy gets hit he goes sailing backwards, I can't recall that happening to the good guy. Maybe Hollywood has special bullets?

Newton's law, first from memory. Only a few centuries old, basis for rockets, so what the hell would he know, Hollywood is modern so must know better. Oh yeah he was also the guy what invented gravity.

BTW did anyone see this
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...ffice-shooting

[Akzle]

The .44 mag with factory standard loads generates 18.5 foot pounds of recoil.
Hold that sucker in one hand an pull the trigger and your going to get some variety in your sex life,,when your forced to change hands for a week.
I have both .38 and .44 mag rounds in my collection,,I think both come in around 80-100g.
Certainly nowhere near .600g.

yeah. because how many pistols do you keep that weight 3 kilo? (i was including rifle rounds in that measure)
the grips in dem days were DESIGNED to allow the pistol to roll back in the hand when fired. that's the hump-backed grip.

The same guy goes on to say that in a combat situation the .44 mag is not much use due to how long it takes to bring it back on line from recoil after the first shot.
The main thing he points out is that the .44mag is a hunting weapon,not a combat weapon.
In his work he shoots a .45 "non magnum" which is accurate,stays on line,follow up shoots are instant and it still makes a big hole in what ever it hits.
And dirty harry was just a funny movie.

huh. now here we need to consider that .45acp is just that. 45 AUTOMATIC colt pistol calibre.
half the recoil (not half, but a bit) goes into racking the action. the .44 mag specified is a revolver, 100% of that recoil is going through the frame.
45"non magnum" is a flat shooting, hard hitting calibre, being big bore and medium velocity, it shoots "softer" than a 9mm para.
.45 acp has a lighter projectile, and a lighter powder load than 44 mag.
i'm not entirely sure what your point was. so i'm going to have another coffee and smoke.

asides, really, how many shots do you think y' need with a 44 mag?

and to whomever posted those vids. i didn't watch them, but they look like compact automatics, 38 or 9mm, i can't speculate on the loadins but i'm gussing they're light. i'm also guessing the models are fair used to being shot. in addition, full projectile velocity may well not be attained since they're shooting "point blank" and likely using HP or wadcutter rounds which will have less smack down anyway.

[jasonu]

The S&W 50cal is the most powerful handgun made and that includes rifle and shotgun round pistols. It is a big heavy gun that is really uncomfortable (and expensive!) to shoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-xQt...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-FG9...feature=relmfu

[Road kill]

yeah. because how many pistols do you keep that weight 3 kilo? (i was including rifle rounds in that measure)
the grips in dem days were DESIGNED to allow the pistol to roll back in the hand when fired. that's the hump-backed grip.



huh. now here we need to consider that .45acp is just that. 45 AUTOMATIC colt pistol calibre.
half the recoil (not half, but a bit) goes into racking the action. the .44 mag specified is a revolver, 100% of that recoil is going through the frame.
45"non magnum" is a flat shooting, hard hitting calibre, being big bore and medium velocity, it shoots "softer" than a 9mm para.
.45 acp has a lighter projectile, and a lighter powder load than 44 mag.
i'm not entirely sure what your point was. so i'm going to have another coffee and smoke.

asides, really, how many shots do you think y' need with a 44 mag?

and to whomever posted those vids. i didn't watch them, but they look like compact automatics, 38 or 9mm, i can't speculate on the loadins but i'm gussing they're light. i'm also guessing the models are fair used to being shot. in addition, full projectile velocity may well not be attained since they're shooting "point blank" and likely using HP or wadcutter rounds which will have less smack down anyway.

18.5 lb of recoil is the same weather it's measured in a light weight gun or something heavy,it's still 18.5 lb.
And what's Dem days your on about,my current manual is last years,,not dem fuckin' days.
plus.I think I'll take the word of a recognised expert on the fact the 44mag is not a combat weapon thanks.
BTW you never mentioned that you consider a long rifle that shoots a 600g projectile a personal carry weapon,you were dribbling on about handguns,,,hope that wasn't to long ago for you to remember.
I do understand about stoners and short term memory,so take your time.
Here's a hint,,look up what type of rifle shoots a 600g projectile and you might work out for your self why most people think your full of shit.

[Akzle]

The S&W 50cal is the most powerful handgun made and that includes rifle and shotgun round pistols. It is a big heavy gun that is really uncomfortable (and expensive!) to shoot.

dat the m500 or something ehh? seen the sub-compact one? it's still on their X frame or whatever they call it, but it's a snub nose. .50AE is not to be fucked with.

18.5 lb of recoil is the same weather it's measured in a light weight gun or something heavy,it's still 18.5 lb.

oh wow. really. i didn't know that. you're so enlightening i might have to jack off.

i'm not even sure where this recoil lark came into it. 18.5 (presumably) FT/lbs of energy, in a 3 kilo gun, will be significantly less FELT RECOIL than in a 1/2kg one.
for the benefit of the FJs out there: heavier weapon= less felt recoil

And what's Dem days your on about,my current manual is last years,,not dem fuckin' days.

i think it's you who's struggling to keep up. my "dem days" comment was on the design on the pistol grip of the colt peacemaker - arguably the most kickarse weapon ever. my comment was that the grip allowed the pistol to rotate in the hand, working with the muzzle flip induced by recoil. modern pistols (automatics) do not do this so much, as they are designed to recoil a lot flatter, to stay on target/ for follow up shots.

plus.I think I'll take the word of a recognised expert on the fact the 44mag is not a combat weapon thanks.

take whoever's word you like (and stick it up your... err. nose.) i don't recall ever promoting it a revolver as either a "combat" weapon, nor .44mag as a "combat" calibre,
nor, infact do i recall laying out "combat" scenarios. i believe, if my indica-breakfast memory serves me right, that the original scenario was a concealed/open carry weapon to be toted in a movie theatre to engage some dick on a shooting spree.
also, if you talk to your "combat" experts, they'll probably tell you that a revolver is oft' the weapon of choice for a lot of off dutys.

BTW you never mentioned that you consider a long rifle that shoots a 600g projectile a personal carry weapon, you were dribbling on about handguns,,,hope that wasn't to long ago for you to remember.

pray were you talking about this?:

a 'gun' focuses an explosion in one direction.
it usually weighs somewhere in the order of 1/2-3 kilograms, give or take.

i can easily see how you'd mistake "gun" for "personal carry weapon" seeing as how i'm so fucking baked , it's a logical conclusion to draw.

[Swoop]

A canadian workmate (when hunting back in his home country) used to carry a .44mag revolver with a 2inch barrel. It was his "last chance" bear gun. It had no other purpose.
If you didn't want to be eaten by a hungry fur-covered beast then this might do the job.

Maybe Hollywood has special bullets?

Don't forget the "special guns" that don't require reloading...

[ducatilover]

i'm not even sure where this recoil lark came into it. 18.5 (presumably) FT/lbs of energy, in a 3 kilo gun, will be significantly less FELT RECOIL than in a 1/2kg one.
for the benefit of the FJs out there: heavier weapon= less felt recoil

AA12.

'nuff siad.

[Akzle]

AA12.

'nuff siad.

they are AWESOME

[scumdog]

they are AWESOME

Now all you need is a pistol that 'doesn't recoil' like that...

[scumdog]

AA12.

'nuff siad.

Kewl-as.
As long as you have a big gunny-sack full of mags!

[Akzle]

Kewl-as.
As long as you have a big gunny-sack full of mags!

drum mags bro.
two welded together.

but really.. how many double aught rounds do you need?

[scumdog]

drum mags bro.
two welded together.

but really.. how many double aught rounds do you need?

I was thinking slugs!

[Akzle]

I was thinking slugs!

then there'd be no excuse for collateral...

but hlyfknsht have you seen what the 'sabot' slugs do to a 200 gallon drum!?