Red Flags - Should you get points if you cause a red flag event and DNF?

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Great idea! I think it should be required to have people signing in with the real name and or MNZ License also, why, to make all accountable for what they say and also to create a data of logic/comments from people.

Marketing? It would also give an opportunity to promote your sponsors on this site in your signature with each post.

It is so typical of riders to just complain but not do anything action wise to try and change potentually negative situations, this forum could/would give our road racing committee a general over site of what the riders/marshalls/fans want from the sport in the year 2012 and beyond, which in turn could allow to offer up preposed rule changes well in advance to get feed back on those proposals.

...would it make any difference to the transparency of those who are elected to the top positions in the sport...it seems that a dictatorial president who refuses to answer questions when sent them by official channels, who somehow thinks that holding back those who actually run the sport and yet at the same time running around the country waving bits of paper at rooms full of volunteers, mouthing the same meaningless words..."we all have to be reading from the same page"...that would be cool if he didnt keep rewriting the book or choosing a different page to the one we are on...good people who make this sport run down here are leaving or considering that option and no one is coming forward to keep things running...as someone up the page mentioned, a few riders not turning up wont stop the show, but if we officials (who are actually claytons officials, according to the hierarchy) dont turn up, there is no sport...

Neil Morrison
President, Classic Action Motorcycle Sport (SI)
#6285

[Billy]

...would it make any difference to the transparency of those who are elected to the top positions in the sport...it seems that a dictatorial president who refuses to answer questions when sent them by official channels, who somehow thinks that holding back those who actually run the sport and yet at the same time running around the country waving bits of paper at rooms full of volunteers, mouthing the same meaningless words..."we all have to be reading from the same page"...that would be cool if he didnt keep rewriting the book or choosing a different page to the one we are on...good people who make this sport run down here are leaving or considering that option and no one is coming forward to keep things running...as someone up the page mentioned, a few riders not turning up wont stop the show, but if we officials (who are actually claytons officials, according to the hierarchy) dont turn up, there is no sport...

Neil Morrison
President, Classic Action Motorcycle Sport (SI)
#6285

Yea,Not sure your actually on the same page as the bulk of the contributors in this section,My impression is they want to discuss matters regarding roadracing,All queries and ideas re roadracing should be directed to the roadrace commissioner(thats me presently) as I run the sport,Not the president,If you send your enquiries/concerns to the wrong people,The right people may never get to hear/see them,

I have intiated some changes with the office re the issuing of permits for roadrace events,From now on,EVERY permit application will have to come to me for approval as it appears there are clubs out there that are running classes at their events that have NO official rules,Hardly fair on those that are not in the loop,Under the old system,Only those permit applications with entry forms required my approval,In my opinion,That just worsens the situation as those who turn up to enter on the day,Can't possibly know whether their machine is eligible if there are NO supp regs,All the clubs I have dealt with on this matter to date,Have had no problem complying with my requests and understand that while things hadnt been done correctly in the past,They will be from now on,We on the commission are not here to say no,We just want it too be a level playing feild for all to enjoy.

Graeme Billington
Roadrace commissioner
Motorcycling NZ
#0258

[RobGassit]

#0258? That's only a couple after Jesus!

[Billy]

#0258? That's only a couple after Jesus!

Yea, or a couple just before,Some have been trying to get it changed to 666 !!!!!!

[RobGassit]

Yea, or a couple just before,Some have been trying to get it changed to 666 !!!!!!

Did you have the bugger that exiled you from KB killed? Or are you risking the wrath of the powers that be if they only could? Be that is?

[Billy]

Did you have the bugger that exiled you from KB killed? Or are you risking the wrath of the powers that be if they only could? Be that is?

Hahahaha!If you go back and read the post,All I said was the board had asked me not to comment on this site,I never said I agreed to it LOL!

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=Billy;1130369884]Hahahaha!If you go back and read the post,All I said was the board had asked me not to comment on this site,I never said I agreed to it LOL![

You're a legend. Someone should write a book about your life,(without all the swearing of course) so kid's could read it without asking mummy awkward questions about what that word mean't etc. And people would say, I knew Billy when he was,,,,etc etc. Like Ernie does when he's a little pissed.

[Billy]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130369888]

Hahahaha!If you go back and read the post,All I said was the board had asked me not to comment on this site,I never said I agreed to it LOL![

You're a legend. Someone should write a book about your life,(witout all the swearing of course) so kid's could read it without asking mummy awkward questions about what that word mean't etc. And people would say, I knew Billy when he was,,,,etc etc. Like Ernie does when he's a little pissed.

Yeah,He's a bit of a problem is old Mr Cudby,Hes lived way longer than I expected and remembers waaay to much of the shit we got up to in the 70s,Still you'll notice he never brings any of it up when Im around,Hes got a few skeletons of his own and every now and then I remind him of one or two haha!

[Dave-]

Yea,Not sure your actually on the same page as the bulk of the contributors in this section,My impression is they want to discuss matters regarding roadracing,All queries and ideas re roadracing should be directed to the roadrace commissioner(thats me presently) as I run the sport,Not the president,If you send your enquiries/concerns to the wrong people,The right people may never get to hear/see them,

I have intiated some changes with the office re the issuing of permits for roadrace events,From now on,EVERY permit application will have to come to me for approval as it appears there are clubs out there that are running classes at their events that have NO official rules,Hardly fair on those that are not in the loop,Under the old system,Only those permit applications with entry forms required my approval,In my opinion,That just worsens the situation as those who turn up to enter on the day,Can't possibly know whether their machine is eligible if there are NO supp regs,All the clubs I have dealt with on this matter to date,Have had no problem complying with my requests and understand that while things hadnt been done correctly in the past,They will be from now on,We on the commission are not here to say no,We just want it too be a level playing feild for all to enjoy.

Graeme Billington
Roadrace commissioner
Motorcycling NZ
#0258

Massive respect here, it's clear you've been in the sport longer than I've been alive, but that first paragraph screams communication problems to me. Far be it from me to suggest that MNZ has internal communication problems, but theoretically I should be able to send an email to asdfgh@motorcyclingnz.co.nz and it should redirect to the admin, who has at least some sort of filtering/forwarding system to the president of the club (or whoever) while this is an extreme case there really ought to be a better medium for people to contact MNZ. We have the technology!

I found [url = "http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Competition_Rule_Change_Policy.pdf"]How to change a Rule[/url] Step 3 states "The proposed change is placed on the website, under proposed rule changes. Submissions are called for." why can't this be incorporated to a medium which is obviously popular?

This is why I suggest a forum, don't be frightened off by the shit storm that is kiwibiker, I stay out of most of it for that reason, and I'm sure right now you can see it happening in this thread, but you can actually format kiwibiker to work on a much better structure.

Say Shaun wanted to change a rule, he could very easily go to the MNZ sub forum, and submit a properly structured thread to MNZ (identical to the requirement already in place) it would follow the existing steps outlined above and the thread would be made allowing for submissions in a thread.

If the thread was not allowed Shaun would be told for what reasons to which he could tidy them up and resubmit after a certain amount of time (there could even be an algorithm that scales how long he would have to wait)

The thread could actually be created in a sub-forum viewable to ONLY the MNZ board/committee who could each place their thoughts on the subject before meetings took place

I've been active in a motorsport club here at Canterbury University and we use a similar medium on facebook (I know you have facebook), I designed and built the website.

One day when I work my way up to MNZ I'll even incorporate an online sign up and licensing system that should easily integrate with kiwibiker.

Out of those 24 email adresses on the MNZ page, who do I contact about the webmaster position?

Dave Newell
Current expired MNZ member (Student, I can't afford a license during the semester) Future President of MNZ.
Christchurch, New Zealand
#27005 (with any luck, one day this will be the smallest digit license number by at least 2 orders of magnitude)

[Billy]

Massive respect here, it's clear you've been in the sport longer than I've been alive, but that first paragraph screams communication problems to me. Far be it from me to suggest that MNZ has internal communication problems, but theoretically I should be able to send an email to asdfgh@motorcyclingnz.co.nz and it should redirect to the admin, who has at least some sort of filtering/forwarding system to the president of the club (or whoever) while this is an extreme case there really ought to be a better medium for people to contact MNZ. We have the technology!

I found [url = "http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Competition_Rule_Change_Policy.pdf"]How to change a Rule[/url] Step 3 states "The proposed change is placed on the website, under proposed rule changes. Submissions are called for." why can't this be incorporated to a medium which is obviously popular?

This is why I suggest a forum, don't be frightened off by the shit storm that is kiwibiker, I stay out of most of it for that reason, and I'm sure right now you can see it happening in this thread, but you can actually format kiwibiker to work on a much better structure.

Say Shaun wanted to change a rule, he could very easily go to the MNZ sub forum, and submit a properly structured thread to MNZ (identical to the requirement already in place) it would follow the existing steps outlined above and the thread would be made allowing for submissions in a thread.

If the thread was not allowed Shaun would be told for what reasons to which he could tidy them up and resubmit after a certain amount of time (there could even be an algorithm that scales how long he would have to wait)

The thread could actually be created in a sub-forum viewable to ONLY the MNZ board/committee who could each place their thoughts on the subject before meetings took place

I've been active in a motorsport club here at Canterbury University and we use a similar medium on facebook (I know you have facebook), I designed and built the website.

One day when I work my way up to MNZ I'll even incorporate an online sign up and licensing system that should easily integrate with kiwibiker.

Out of those 24 email adresses on the MNZ page, who do I contact about the webmaster position?

Dave Newell
Current expired MNZ member (Student, I can't afford a license during the semester) Future President of MNZ.
Christchurch, New Zealand
#27005 (with any luck, one day this will be the smallest digit license number by at least 2 orders of magnitude)

Yip,

There clearly have been communication probs,IE If you send an email to mnzrrc@gmail.com,I will be the only one that sees that email and if I don't pass the info on then nobody else will ever know,Or if you send an email to 2 or more of the address's listed,You probably won't get a reply as both recipients will assume the other has replied,On that basis,I act on everything that comes in immediately so it doesn't get forgotten about (quite simple to do when youve regularly got over a thousand emails in the inbox),Hopefully when the new website is up and running a lot of these issues will be sorted.

The only problem I see with regard to having the forum on one website is,Not everybody and in fact only a small percentage of roadracers dont visiT Kiwibiker,Some dont do facebook and just about everybody fails to go to the MNZ website for anything other than to renew their licence,Hell out of 5500 members its a struggle to get more than 10% to vote when theres an election.

[Drew]

Yip,

There clearly have been communication probs,IE If you send an email to mnzrrc@gmail.com,I will be the only one that sees that email and if I don't pass the info on then nobody else will ever know,Or if you send an email to 2 or more of the address's listed,You probably won't get a reply as both recipients will assume the other has replied,On that basis,I act on everything that comes in immediately so it doesn't get forgotten about (quite simple to do when youve regularly got over a thousand emails in the inbox),Hopefully when the new website is up and running a lot of these issues will be sorted.

The only problem I see with regard to having the forum on one website is,Not everybody and in fact only a small percentage of roadracers dont visiT Kiwibiker,Some dont do facebook and just about everybody fails to go to the MNZ website for anything other than to renew their licence,Hell out of 5500 members its a struggle to get more than 10% to vote when theres an election.

This seems to have turned into something very odd indeed. I was not expecting another bitch about MNZ thread. Ooooohhhhh wait, yes I was.

[Dave-]

Yip,

There clearly have been communication probs,IE If you send an email to mnzrrc@gmail.com,I will be the only one that sees that email and if I don't pass the info on then nobody else will ever know,Or if you send an email to 2 or more of the address's listed,You probably won't get a reply as both recipients will assume the other has replied,On that basis,I act on everything that comes in immediately so it doesn't get forgotten about (quite simple to do when youve regularly got over a thousand emails in the inbox),Hopefully when the new website is up and running a lot of these issues will be sorted.

The only problem I see with regard to having the forum on one website is,Not everybody and in fact only a small percentage of roadracers dont visiT Kiwibiker,Some dont do facebook and just about everybody fails to go to the MNZ website for anything other than to renew their licence,Hell out of 5500 members its a struggle to get more than 10% to vote when theres an election.

New website? can you elaborate? I'm drafting a thread about how MNZ needs a new website and would be interested in talking to the developer with my ideas, I'll change my thread to reflect this.

So some people don't do kiwibiker, or facebook, well I don't do letters or faxing, and I'm the growing majority, dont tell me a statistically significant number of MNZ license holders don't do facebook or forums, or the internet, or know how to use a computer, so write a letter instead, I simply do not believe it.

You say only a small percentage of road racers do not visit kiwibiker? so a large percentage do? so shouldn't kiwibiker be the perfect medium for putting up a poll?

Either way I find your 2nd paragraph very stubborn and concerningly defeatist, the NZSBK page has 1700 members, the MNZ page has 424, motorcycling canterbury has 549! I'm not saying they're all mnz license holders, but seriously, some marketing, even some information in our direction could provide MNZ with some statistically significant data.

With all due respect MNZ needs to pull finger and start connecting with its members via mediums that aren't obsolete.

Give me another few minutes to wrap up my thread about the new website Billy then post your thoughts.

[SWERVE]

I can say from experience that the system currently used does work. You just have to use some common sense and follow it.
It isnt perfect ....... but what/who is.
I dont see anything wrong with issues being discussed on a public forum......... but it is not the place to get descisions made.
Follow due process............ be prepared to use that "ancient device" called a telephone. Put your case forward....be prepared to answer questions on your reasoning.... be prepared to accept you hadnt thought of everything.... but if your case stacks up also be prepared to have your case actioned.
That way Billy can divide his time between being - Road Race Commissioner - Fairing builder - Fairing designer - Racer - and general "good buggar" (those are the pastimes i know about) into some kind of order that doesnt involve 16+ hr days.
You are a bloody LEGEND mate......... long live the LEGEND

[ellipsis]

...a less confrontational medium is all thats reqd...less vitriol and more constructive is always the norm we would prefer, I'm sure, the small town of NZ presents it's own problems, the fact that we all (every one of us) knows what's right and the 2 or 3 degree's of separation that is this country, pervades every thing that we dare to venture into or having some desire to be involved with, always seems somehow to be a red rag to the next persons conception of what is the only way to go...I reckon it's a bigger ask than the average kiwi brain can handle...

[Billy]

I can say from experience that the system currently used does work. You just have to use some common sense and follow it.
It isnt perfect ....... but what/who is.
I dont see anything wrong with issues being discussed on a public forum......... but it is not the place to get descisions made.
Follow due process............ be prepared to use that "ancient device" called a telephone. Put your case forward....be prepared to answer questions on your reasoning.... be prepared to accept you hadnt thought of everything.... but if your case stacks up also be prepared to have your case actioned.
That way Billy can divide his time between being - Road Race Commissioner - Fairing builder - Fairing designer - Racer - and general "good buggar" (those are the pastimes i know about) into some kind of order that doesnt involve 16+ hr days.
You are a bloody LEGEND mate......... long live the LEGEND

Hahahahahahahaha!! Leg end,So Im just a useless foot now(Or worse groin),Yip your right most days are 16 hours and I'm sure having stayed here for a week and seen what is really expected
of me,Many of them are much longer,You only have to go back to the "road to the NZSBK"Story I wrote last year,To see how much work really gets done here and I can help but notice how quickly the loyalty runs out and yet the same punters still have their hands out for help,Yip as pointed out above,MNZ is less than perfect,BUT if you use the system properly as you and many others that I have dealt with have found out,It works just fine,In fact,The biggest issue facing us as an organisation,Is the fact as I have discovered,Not only do most members not know the rules or protocols,But neither do a large number of the club officials organising the meetings,I am working very hard at changing that and making good progress,Most of them are begging for guidance and have ended up with jobs,Cause they were the only ones who would put their hands up,Take Dave for arguments sake,He can't afford to renew his licence or compete due to his studies,Seems to be really intelligent,Sort of bloke who a club could use to help them,Maybe get to show us just how much better he could make things,But does he???? Not on your Nelly,Much easier to stay at home and bag the hard work others do instead Jeeeezus!who would have thought,

Sorry Dave,Not gonna bother replying to your expertise,Ive got a roadrace champs to organise and a sport to run and none of the area your discussing is part of my commission,I suggest you call Vicky at the office as she is the general manager,Don't be surprised if shes too busy to listen to a non members concerns,Theyve been a staff member down for sometime now,Replacement due to start soon,Let me know when you become President,If you need a hand I might be able too help,Assuming its this lifetime.