Pest Free NZ - radio national

[Crasherfromwayback]

oh gfy.
I'm operating on my phone just now. One fuken typo.
To be clear, what questions? And definitely what facts?
I thought we had you fairly well covered.

Cool txt speak now! You're so hip!

Show me facts and figures that show 1080 kills more native species in greater numbers than it saves.

Show me a way we can save our forrests and native wildlife without the use of 1080.

Ps: Aren't you the same guy that thinks it's ok to shoot your neighbours cats or have your dog savage them?

[Berries]

Show me a way we can save our forrests and native wildlife without the use of 1080.

You aren't suggesting that it is working are you and that the forests have been saved? It would appear to me that 1080 has been given a good go now and has done pretty much fuck all. The night before last I took my kids out in to the garden to see their first possum. I see fresh road kill several times a week. Unless you wipe them all out then the others will breed and replace them. A different option is needed otherwise you might as well just drop $20 notes randomly out of a helicopter.

Clean and green New Zealand? Shite.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You aren't suggesting that it is working are you and that the forests have been saved? It would appear to me that 1080 has been given a good go now and has done pretty much fuck all. The night before last I took my kids out in to the garden to see their first possum. I see fresh road kill several times a week. Unless you wipe them all out then the others will breed and replace them. A different option is needed otherwise you might as well just drop $20 notes randomly out of a helicopter.

Clean and green New Zealand? Shite.

Have you read the whole thread? I've said, and will say it again...it's the best way we've got right now of controlling things.

I'll ask you too...name a better solution?

[Berries]

Better than 1080? Well, feeding them with carrots would probably work out much cheaper and be just as succesful in eradicating them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Better than 1080? Well, feeding them with carrots would probably work out much cheaper and be just as succesful in eradicating them.

lol. Be nice if it was.

[Akzle]

Cool txt speak now! You're so hip!

Show me facts and figures that show 1080 kills more native species in greater numbers than it saves.

Show me a way we can save our forrests and native wildlife without the use of 1080.

Ps: Aren't you the same guy that thinks it's ok to shoot your neighbours cats or have your dog savage them?

1) i am SO hip. i get jiggy wit' it. (GFY means Good For You, honest :P)

2) it kills near-everything. survival rates of native species appear to go up again after an op on account of the populations to kill em haven't got re-established yet either. if they then transplant the species to breed, they pat themselves on the back and chalk it up as a victory.
i have no facts and figures for this, get some googlin' done.

3) "million dollar coon" hunt.

Ps. 4) yes, any animals not controlled by their "owners" (feeders, in case of cats) that are running riot on any property not belonging to that "owner" (feeder, in case of cats), is liable to be shot. this is standard practice in this country. has been for fucking years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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1) i am SO hip. i get jiggy wit' it. (GFY means Good For You, honest :P)

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Cool. I'll go pat myself on the back some more then!

[avgas]

sodium monofluroacetate breaks down in water in to non-toxic molecules. so from that point you're right.
unfortunately so do animal carcasses. which generate toxic molecules and breed bacteria and virii, which DO NOT break down in water. you could dump pound for pound of 1080 in auckland's water tanks and nobody would notice. dump pound for pound of rotting animal flesh... well...

........Its detected by bio-filters and killed with UV.
FYI Whangarei works this way too.......Whau Valley plant may be old, but the guys there are bloody good

[avgas]

who's talking billions? where did you even pull that number from? (same as where the rest of you stuff comes from, sounds like.) have i mentioned my "million dollar coon" theorem?

Haha will have to look up the Million $ Coon's sounds hilarious.

But back to facts. Its been mentioned here an amazing number of 7 million.

Say you need to set a trap for each (or reset as the most common case would be), and you waste 1 man hour in walking, trapping etc 1 man hour of trasport + admin.
Thats 14 million man hours. Now we can't give this job to anyone, because lets be honest not many people are going to do a good job of this unless they are paid above minimum wages.

So 14x10^6 x $15/hr = $210 Million.
Now that assumes that we got the whole lot and wiped it out in one go. (As 1080 has attempted).

Reality is these fuckers breed and they are good at it.
So say every 2 have a bubba every year (and underestimate)
7,000,000 x 1.5^n. And you want to wipe them out in 10 years. So 7,000,000 x 1.5^10 = Thats roughly 403 million that need to be killed.
Even if your trapping team is awesome, your looking in the BILLIONS of dollars to fix.

How many coons do you have to sell?

[mashman]

Anyone know what Possum tastes like?

[avgas]

Anyone know what Possum tastes like?

I tried a little. Its bad. Better than dog and horse. But bad.

[Akzle]

Haha will have to look up the Million $ Coon's sounds hilarious.

But back to facts. Its been mentioned here an amazing number of 7 million.

Say you need to set a trap for each (or reset as the most common case would be), and you waste 1 man hour in walking, trapping etc 1 man hour of trasport + admin.
Thats 14 million man hours. Now we can't give this job to anyone, because lets be honest not many people are going to do a good job of this unless they are paid above minimum wages.

So 14x10^6 x $15/hr = $210 Million.
Now that assumes that we got the whole lot and wiped it out in one go. (As 1080 has attempted).

Reality is these fuckers breed and they are good at it.
So say every 2 have a bubba every year (and underestimate)
7,000,000 x 1.5^n. And you want to wipe them out in 10 years. So 7,000,000 x 1.5^10 = Thats roughly 403 million that need to be killed.
Even if your trapping team is awesome, your looking in the BILLIONS of dollars to fix.

How many coons do you have to sell?

fuck. i love maths.

and i love picking holes in people's arguments.
in 1993 there were ("reported") to be 70 million possums. (i know this works against my argument, but you're still wrong)
coons have one breeding per year.
one well placed trap in the space of one week will kill ~5 possums.

china is paying about 4$/coon in fur.

now do THAT maths.

i explained the million dollar coon a few posts back. basically the govt doesn't NEED to employ anyone, just let people loose. the cost would be less than the hundreds of millions spent annually on 1080. and every kid with a slug gun would be out there wounding and maiming the fuckers at the hopes of beer money.

Anyone know what Possum tastes like?

not bad. quantity is a problem. backsteaks are best and rear legs for cutlets now and then, did some biltong once which was bloody good, and once i build a proper biltong box i'll be doing it regularly. green curry goes good too, i want to give bacon-ing a go.
they only graze the freshest, newest, tastiest buds through teh forest and run a lot so the meat is very lean.
although it was reccomended once that for maximum "coon flavour" catch em live and feed em weetbix and milk for 3 days before killing. look up wild game recipes on googeliser.
one of my mates (a rabbiter in the day) reckoned it was better stewed/ broiled etc, personally i don't think it's neccesary. nor do i think rabbit is that much better than. (and the yurp's will pay 30$ for a fuckin rabbit to eat!!)

[FJRider]

fuck. i love maths.

and i love picking holes in people's arguments.
in 1993 there were ("reported") to be 70 million possums. (i know this works against my argument, but you're still wrong)
coons have one breeding per year.
one well placed trap in the space of one week will kill ~5 possums.

china is paying about 4$/coon in fur.

now do THAT maths.

At $4 a skin ... delivered to the buyer. To make dole money ... at least 75 skins a week. So take into account the time taken to lay traps, clear and re-lay traps, skin the possums, treat the hide. Then the cost to deliver the skins to the buyer ....

Even in the low-land pastures and hills of Terenga Paraoa ... with its mild climate ... it would barely be cost/time effective.
In the ranges and forests of the south island (Where the greatest un-controlled Opossum population is) ... where the annual rainfall is measured in metres (and even chopper flying time is limited due to weather)... and good bush skills to get more than metres off the main roads ... it's laughable to think more than a few would attempt to make a living from it in those conditions.

It's easier to stay on the dole and smoke dope. (the hours are better too)

i explained the million dollar coon a few posts back. basically the govt doesn't NEED to employ anyone, just let people loose. the cost would be less than the hundreds of millions spent annually on 1080. and every kid with a slug gun would be out there wounding and maiming the fuckers at the hopes of beer money.

I'm not sure that encouraging kids to go blasting away with slug guns (not the ideal weapon to kill them ... even you are a good shot) is a very good idea. And some have trouble telling the difference between a deer, and a female tramper ... in their spotlight.

[duckonin]

I tried a little. Its bad. Better than dog and horse. But bad.

Ha ha it's all in the way you cook things. A good bit of coon can b alright. A bad bit of dog is shit. A good bit of dog is shit. Horse as long as like most animals it is young, my choice !

[duckonin]

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not bad. quantity is a problem. backsteaks are best and rear legs for cutlets now and then, did some biltong once which was bloody good, and once i build a proper biltong box i'll be doing it regularly. green curry goes good too, i want to give bacon-ing a go.
they only graze the freshest, newest, tastiest buds through teh forest and run a lot so the meat is very lean.
although it was reccomended once that for maximum "coon flavour" catch em live and feed em weetbix and milk for 3 days before killing. look up wild game recipes on googeliser.
one of my mates (a rabbiter in the day) reckoned it was better stewed/ broiled etc, personally i don't think it's neccesary. nor do i think rabbit is that much better than. (and the yurp's will pay 30$ for a fuckin rabbit to eat!!)

Back steaks are best Bilton using possums you have to be having us on. Bacon please use pork. Then with a good cut or a bellly use a cup of salt to 2kilos of pork 1/2 a cup of brown sugar , a shaking of black pepper, rubbed with maple syrup, rub all mix into meat well, put into plastic bag that does not leak, turn every day for 4-5 days hang to dry it. Then into the smoker, smoke for two hours on 200 should be cooked, then fridge it till the morn. One to two eggs a couple of slices of your creation of bacon and you have the best of meals. It is simple to make your own bacon it is only salted meat . The sugar/maple syrup is used to tone down the salt.

Next time you are in the supermarket buy yoursef a pork belly, maybe $12 bucks. and try it. Fuck using possies... Oh and by the way again you are wrong possies on good tucker can get quite fat !! Now let me know how your bacon comes out. Do it right it will be mint.