Are the boys at BSB with their "stock" superbikes onto something?

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 08:25

British Superbikes are leaning even further toward the stock is best route, which already has stringent control over engine and electronic mods allowed, and includes a standard tyre rule.

Does the old adage - "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" work anymore ?, and is this the reason behind it - Or is it about having more affordable bikes out there + maybe the "stock" bikes more likey to be more closely matched ? - and therefore a better racing spectacle.

When the cost to build / run a competitve superbike in NZ is 100K + it does start you thinking ........

http://www.britishsuperbike.com/news...gulations.aspx

http://www.visordown.com/discount-ra...hts/20949.html

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 08:31

I've been saying for years that I think we should go back to a class like senior proddie. Noisy pipes only.

**Billy** · 13th August 2012, 08:47

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

British Superbikes are leaning even further toward the stock is best route, which already has stringent control over engine and electronic mods allowed, and includes a standard tyre rule.

Does the old adage - "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" work anymore ?, and is this the reason behind it - Or is it about having more affordable bikes out there + maybe the "stock" bikes more likey to be more closely matched ? - and therefore a better racing spectacle.

When the cost to build / run a competitve superbike in NZ is 100K + it does start you thinking ........

http://www.britishsuperbike.com/news...gulations.aspx

http://www.visordown.com/discount-ra...hts/20949.html

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I've been saying for years that I think we should go back to a class like senior proddie. Noisy pipes only.

Yip and its something we are already looking at for 2014 as you well know "Codgy",Most likely 600s but I have had atleast 1 top level supers competitor suggest the same for the big class as well with the backing of his distributor.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 08:58

Originally Posted by Billy

Yip and its something we are already looking at for 2014 as you well know "Codgy",Most likely 600s but I have had atleast 1 top level supers competitor suggest the same for the big class as well with the backing of his distributor.

Yeah my days of eating tar are well over. But if I ws a young chap looking to get into it with the big boys...I could justify senior proddie well before a 100k superbike! And lets face it...they're pretty fucking awesome in stock trim anyhow!

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 09:13

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah my days of eating tar are well over. But if I ws a young chap looking to get into it with the big boys...I could justify senior proddie well before a 100k superbike! And lets face it...they're pretty fucking awesome in stock trim anyhow!

True aye - they are all stoopid fast anyway. Of course there is nothing to stop MNZ carrying on using the plagiarised "Superbike" name anyway.
The issues revolve's around what brands of bike are more competitve when in stock "ish" form. For instance - the concern by some is that we will end up with a field of BMW S1000RR's running around...... :-)

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 09:19

Originally Posted by Billy

Yip and its something we are already looking at for 2014 as you well know "Codgy",Most likely 600s but I have had atleast 1 top level supers competitor suggest the same for the big class as well with the backing of his distributor.

Good to hear that there is some interest.
Your suggestion that "I know anything whatsoever about what, who or when" and when any type of proposed changes will / could / might / maybe / possibly / mooted or made within that heirachy is folly.

No one knows , except for one person.

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 09:27

On a positive note of course, the field for this years Superbikes still looks pretty good, but the question is - would it be any different if the bikes were closer to stock ?

**Tony.OK** · 13th August 2012, 09:34

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

True aye - they are all stoopid fast anyway. Of course there is nothing to stop MNZ carrying on using the plagiarised "Superbike" name anyway.
The issues revolve's around what brands of bike are more competitve when in stock "ish" form. For instance - the concern by some is that we will end up with a field of BMW S1000RR's running around...... :-)

You'd think that of the BMW aye but look at the 1000cc superstock results around the world and they aren't winning everywhere.

Been watching BSB for a few years now and for spectating I think its the best series to watch with massive fields and close racing. All classes seem to be near capacity. Whatever "model" they are using they run a good show. Now if NZ only had an extra 10 or 20 million ppl we may get close haha.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 09:34

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

True aye - they are all stoopid fast anyway. Of course there is nothing to stop MNZ carrying on using the plagiarised "Superbike" name anyway.
The issues revolve's around what brands of bike are more competitve when in stock "ish" form. For instance - the concern by some is that we will end up with a field of BMW S1000RR's running around...... :-)

Yep. And the other brands will catch up soon enough. Besides...if you're good enough...you'll win on anything.

**Maido** · 13th August 2012, 09:46

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yep. And the other brands will catch up soon enough. Besides...if you're good enough...you'll win on anything.

haha, tell that to rossi

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th August 2012, 09:48

Originally Posted by Maido

haha, tell that to rossi

Yeah bit different at that level I guess!

**Kevin G** · 13th August 2012, 09:50

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

British Superbikes are leaning even further toward the stock is best route, which already has stringent control over engine and electronic mods allowed, and includes a standard tyre rule.

Does the old adage - "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" work anymore ?, and is this the reason behind it - Or is it about having more affordable bikes out there + maybe the "stock" bikes more likey to be more closely matched ? - and therefore a better racing spectacle.

When the cost to build / run a competitve superbike in NZ is 100K + it does start you thinking ........

http://www.britishsuperbike.com/news...gulations.aspx

http://www.visordown.com/discount-ra...hts/20949.html

Hi.
Stock really....
Summary of modifications

Retaining the standard piston and valves to control tuning excesses, only the following modifications to be allowed.

Camshafts with free profile, increased duration and lift.
Valve springs, seats and their retainers (maintaining original materials)
Porting of the inlet and exhaust ports with epoxy fillers allowed if necessary.
Machining of the cylinder head gasket surface to adjust compression.
Re machining of combustion chambers, but no material to be added.
Rev limit 750prm above standard, set by spec ECU - standard level determined by street product on official dyno.
Aftermarket connecting rods of the same or greater weight than the original. Material to be either as homologated or steel. Centre to centre length to be standard.
Crankshaft can be re balanced, but only by the original method.
An aftermarket gearbox with a single set of gear ratios nominated for the season. Design concept to be the same as the homologated item.
10. Oil sumps and pumps can be modified to improve reliability.
Pistons and valves remain standard. Maintaining the standard piston crown design is a critical part of limiting the tuning possibilities, together with mandated use of a series specified ECU and a rev limit.

I do not see that as very stock, I actually think that the above spec would cost more than NZ spec....Just looked at the price for a close ratio gearbox..I do like the std ECU idea, has merit for sure.

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 13th August 2012, 10:04

In the financial climate we are in 'worldwide' why we arn't running stock bikes astounds me.

I and about three other built stock 1000's for the 2010-11 series I ended up running the last two rounds on my lonesome.

Minor mods, pipe, suspenders, piggyback plug and play ecu and a tyre rule and lets go racing

**codgyoleracer** · 13th August 2012, 10:12

Originally Posted by Kevin G

Hi.
Stock really....
Summary of modifications

Retaining the standard piston and valves to control tuning excesses, only the following modifications to be allowed.

Camshafts with free profile, increased duration and lift.
Valve springs, seats and their retainers (maintaining original materials)
Porting of the inlet and exhaust ports with epoxy fillers allowed if necessary.
Machining of the cylinder head gasket surface to adjust compression.
Re machining of combustion chambers, but no material to be added.
Rev limit 750prm above standard, set by spec ECU - standard level determined by street product on official dyno.
Aftermarket connecting rods of the same or greater weight than the original. Material to be either as homologated or steel. Centre to centre length to be standard.
Crankshaft can be re balanced, but only by the original method.
An aftermarket gearbox with a single set of gear ratios nominated for the season. Design concept to be the same as the homologated item.
10. Oil sumps and pumps can be modified to improve reliability.
Pistons and valves remain standard. Maintaining the standard piston crown design is a critical part of limiting the tuning possibilities, together with mandated use of a series specified ECU and a rev limit.

I do not see that as very stock, I actually think that the above spec would cost more than NZ spec....Just looked at the price for a close ratio gearbox..I do like the std ECU idea, has merit for sure.

Yeah I know, but this spec compared to previous was quite a step forward for that series, which beforhand had BSB bikes built to near WSB levels. (its relative)