I believe in gay marriage

[Tigadee]

If its so unnatural why do animals happily practice it too?

So homosexuals are animals?

Why do some creatures have both sets of reproductive organs and are neither male nor female, are they unnatural too?

Genetic mutation isn't always natural unless it breeds strong traits that enhance chances of survival and allows the propogation and survival of the species... If they become the majority, then they would be totally 'natural'.

Thought-provoking is that perhaps one day, heteros may be the minority wishing we were accepted and allowed to live our hetero lives in peace.

there is no design.

Beg to differ... Men and women were designed to breed - look at the recent TV programme which highlighted that our sense of smell actually helps us to find mates genetically compatible with us to produce the best mix of DNA in offspring.

99 per cent of the time, the candidate picked based on smell - I'm not talking fresh out of the shower but after the gym smell - was the best one for DNA compatibility to produce the strongest healthiest progeny.

Humans weren't designed, they have evolved!

A group or entity can evolve from an original design, look at the machines we have created.

This has nothing to do with Marriage or its concept. People do not get married just to create children!

Not any more anyway, as it is by choice. And people argue that God doesn't give free will? (Sadly people only feel that religion robs free will because of man-perverted - and recent man-made - religions, not the actual teachings and beliefs.)

[Drew]

Isn't there a thread specifically for you God botherers?

Fucking is done mostly for recreation. So much so, it could be said that sex is predominantly a recreational past time.

So it doesn't really matter what or who you are banging, chances are it'll make zero difference to the species.

[Road kill]

If I need to spell it out to you, you are probably too ignorant to absorb it even if I hand the information to you on a silver platter.
consider for a moment this: all your posts about how 'a couple burnouts dont hurt others if you are doing it out of other peoples way' - how is someones sexuality any different, as long as the arent going at it in the middle of the street?


great, more unsubstantiated bullshit.

The funny thing is, that kids learn from THEIR parents. kids dont care, they mimic their parents and their role models, the problem is a lack of role models worthy of being parents in this day and age. all the racists, bigots and homophobes that teach their children that anything that is different must somehow be unnaceptable are what the problem there is.

as for children growing up with gay parents etc, take a look at YOUR kids, and take a look at this intelligent, well spoken, mature young gentleman, and tell me whats so wrong with gay parents?

Yes all those people with moral standards huh.
Not to worry,just call them bigots and there's your whole arguement sorted for you,,no further thinking needed.
And no personal morals needed.

[mashman]

I specifically mentioned design. Homosexual's of any species cannot pro-create. In this context they are inevitably detrimental to the species.

Of course they can. Human beings have the ability to impregnate a male... and how does that argument work for a hermaphrodite?

Please, tell us more about "intelligent design".

You're gonna have to wait til they get the ok from the manufacturer that it was a design issue.

[tigertim20]

Non so blind as those that can not see, comes to mind.

It's amusing how fast you are to throw nasty names at those with a different opinion to you and label me as discriminating. Lets refresh ourselves, the words you threw around, "hating, bigoted, homophobic people" and "you are actively discriminating against them". Actually, that's exactly what you have done to me and the others that simply want to retain the existing meaning of the word marriage.

So you are saying someone with your opinion has the right to insult and call names to anyone with a different opinion, but those with a different opinion to you can't say jack shit or else you will jump on your high horse and bleet on about how oppressed and discriminated against you are.
How the hell do you get dressed in the morning with such twisted double standards. Equality, fairness to all, unbiased, you don't know the meaning of these word.

Just like the knights of the crusades, ignorantly blinded to reason by their cause.

Your attitude is like reverse racism, reverse homophobia taking away the rights of heterosexuals. That's what I object to, not homosexuals.

reverse racism? there is no such thing as reverse racism. racism is not defined as a white guy calling a black guy a 'nigger'. european, african, asian, greek people can all be racist. maybe you dont fully understand the concepts being discussed here. racism isnt 'reversible' - its hate or belittlement of, or a beleif of superiority over, another person based on their race/creed/ethnicity. no such thing as reverse racism.
a straight person can get married, how they define their OWN marriage is up to them, it doesnt give them the right to define, or remove the right of someone else to define their own marriage.

letting gay couples marry does NOT take anything away from you whatsoever. if you are straight, and married, then there are only two people on earth who can affect or influence your marriage, you and your spouse, nobody else, as the two of you define your union, not me, or any other bystander.

just one question, by granting same sex marriages, what rights are being taken away from anyone?
I honestly can't think of a single thing that you'd lose, except the specialness of being better than everyone else by virtue of having more rights.

well said.

A phobia per se, is an unreasoned fear,
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia

I doubt many have a "fear" of homosexuality or of homosexuals as persons. Many may not even have antipathy towards them.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/antipathy

Some may be as I am and believe it is unnatural as it goes directly against the design of the human species, something you cannot argue with, male and female of any life is for a specific reason, and causes far more harm than good, something else that history attests to.

I have no fear of or hatred for homosexuals and everyone has the right and in this country, the freedom to choose for themselves how they want to live. However, such ones must also be willing to accept the outcomes of their choices.

You can bring morality and Biblical standards into it if you wish but again they are not homophobic if very plain.

I specifically mentioned design. Homosexual's of any species cannot pro-create. In this context they are inevitably detrimental to the species.

Why is it so hard for people to get the point?

Male and female are DESIGNED to procreate, and members of the same gender CANNOT procreate. You are talking about physical imperfection and choice, not design!

ok. for a start, look at the gross over population that we currently have in many areas of the world, procreation is necessary to continue our race overall, but frankly with global birth rates climbing steadily, we will get to the point where we cannot sustain ourselves, so in reality, gay couples are a great solution created by nature, whereby people can live, laugh, love and fuck, without contributing to the becoming crisis of future overpopulation.

as a second point, you are religious as we all know, and it seems quite clear to me from your posts that many of your beliefs stem from your religion and teachings of god etc as you perceive them, now Im not attacking you or your religion (not this time anyway!) but think about it, by your own beliefs, god made earth and man etc etc, thus gay people are an object of your own god's design.

as for your attemot to redefine homophobia, I see someone else has already clarified the point, homophobia isnt strictly a case of fear of homosexuals. there is more to it than that.

[mashman]

procreation is necessary to continue our race overall

agree with the rest of that great post... just not the above. It isn't necessary these days, just cheaper

[Drew]

reverse racism? there is no such thing as reverse racism. racism is not defined as a white guy calling a black guy a 'nigger'. european, african, asian, greek people can all be racist. maybe you dont fully understand the concepts being discussed here. racism isnt 'reversible' - its hate or belittlement of, or a beleif of superiority over, another person based on their race/creed/ethnicity. no such thing as reverse racism.
a straight person can get married, how they define their OWN marriage is up to them, it doesnt give them the right to define, or remove the right of someone else to define their own marriage.

Way to focus on a small mistake MD made, when you knew exactly what he meant. Whilst ignoring the larger part of what he said.

He used a word, what was it now? Oh yeah, hypocrite.

[SMOKEU]

So homosexuals are animals?

Yes they sure are. Humans are all animals.

[tigertim20]

Way to focus on a small mistake MD made, when you knew exactly what he meant. Whilst ignoring the larger part of what he said.

He used a word, what was it now? Oh yeah, hypocrite.

go back and read it again. I addressed his points, as others have done quite adequately also.
and to be honest, I dont consider the idea of reverse racism to be a minor mistake, its a major error in the understanding of what racism actually constitutes, and if he cant grasp the concept of the most widely documented form of discrimination in our history, then I have small hope of him understanding the comparatively new issue currently being discussed.

[Drew]

go back and read it again. I addressed his points, as others have done quite adequately also.
and to be honest, I dont consider the idea of reverse racism to be a minor mistake, its a major error in the understanding of what racism actually constitutes, and if he cant grasp the concept of the most widely documented form of discrimination in our history, then I have small hope of him understanding the comparatively new issue currently being discussed.

You condescending cunt. I also get a bee in my bonnet when people use the term "reverse racism", there is only racism. MD did not imply anything though, and it was clear he meant racism contrary to the norm.

Did you address the part of his post where he talked about people pointing fingers and calling names?

I am a bigot, I fuckin hate people who think they are superior.

[Edbear]

reverse racism? there is no such thing as reverse racism. racism is not defined as a white guy calling a black guy a 'nigger'. european, african, asian, greek people can all be racist. maybe you dont fully understand the concepts being discussed here. racism isnt 'reversible' - its hate or belittlement of, or a beleif of superiority over, another person based on their race/creed/ethnicity. no such thing as reverse racism.
a straight person can get married, how they define their OWN marriage is up to them, it doesnt give them the right to define, or remove the right of someone else to define their own marriage.

letting gay couples marry does NOT take anything away from you whatsoever. if you are straight, and married, then there are only two people on earth who can affect or influence your marriage, you and your spouse, nobody else, as the two of you define your union, not me, or any other bystander.

well said.


ok. for a start, look at the gross over population that we currently have in many areas of the world, procreation is necessary to continue our race overall, but frankly with global birth rates climbing steadily, we will get to the point where we cannot sustain ourselves, so in reality, gay couples are a great solution created by nature, whereby people can live, laugh, love and fuck, without contributing to the becoming crisis of future overpopulation.

as a second point, you are religious as we all know, and it seems quite clear to me from your posts that many of your beliefs stem from your religion and teachings of god etc as you perceive them, now Im not attacking you or your religion (not this time anyway!) but think about it, by your own beliefs, god made earth and man etc etc, thus gay people are an object of your own god's design.

as for your attemot to redefine homophobia, I see someone else has already clarified the point, homophobia isnt strictly a case of fear of homosexuals. there is more to it than that.

I posted physical fact and linked actual dictionaries. What are you so afraid of?

[tigertim20]

You condescending cunt. I also get a bee in my bonnet when people use the term "reverse racism", there is only racism. MD did not imply anything though, and it was clear he meant racism contrary to the norm.

Did you address the part of his post where he talked about people pointing fingers and calling names?

I am a bigot, I fuckin hate people who think they are superior.

lol, condescending cunt eh? lovely, you do realise the hilariously retarded hypocrisy of you calling me a cunt, in your attempt to defend/highlight his point about name calling right? or did that go right over your head? - I dont imagine that would be hard as your head seems to have been planted quite far up your own rectum!

[short-circuit]

lol, condescending cunt eh? lovely, you do realise the hilariously retarded hypocrisy of you calling me a cunt, in your attempt to defend/highlight his point about name calling right? or did that go right over your head? - I dont imagine that would be hard as your head seems to have been planted quite far up your own rectum!

Faaaaaaaack watch out. Next he'll declare that he can smash you and tell you where he lives

[scumdog]

and to be honest, I dont consider the idea of reverse racism to be a minor mistake, its a major error in the understanding of what racism actually constitutes,

It isn't reverse racism we have here Tim - it is positive discrimination...

[mashman]

Faaaaaaaack watch out. Next he'll declare that he can smash you and tell you where he lives

Will he smash him analy?