Manfeild slip road use

[Drew]

nah man, I will leave that to you, it may give you some thing constructive to do with yourself

I don't do, "constructive".

[Shaun]

I don't do, "constructive".

No Kidding, shock horror

[Drew]

No Kidding, shock horror

Sarcasm I do. I see you're trying, but more practice, you'll get there little fella.

[proudwanker]

Im getting a bit fucked off at the little digs at me regarding the slip road. Yeah ok you might think my safety concern is humorous or not common sense. Nice way to encourage people to come forward about safety concerns though, top notch!

Does it really matter? Haters are haters... What matters is that the appropriate people above listen and give it serious thought.
Personally I think it doesnt matter if your right or wrong its that fact you had the balls to speak your mind!

[Biggles08]

Personally I think it doesnt matter if your right or right its that fact you had the balls to speak your mind!

LOL...doesn't give many options right there! You sound like someone else I know!

[Billy]

LOL...doesn't give many options right there! You sound like someone else I know!

Yip,Same,Doesn't hurt to back yourself up now and then aye!

[proudwanker]

LOL...doesn't give many options right there! You sound like someone else I know!

Haha fixed!

[JayRacer37]

To be honest, the more I think about this the more I agree with Chop...not so much from a safety point of view in that I expect bikes to be coming across this point out of control as I think that is not likely unless you have Mr Sheriff's doing the out of control, but more that it would then be standardised - everyone knows you do a full warm down lap then return to the pits. As seen during the aborted F1 start last weekend, the marshall got the call to put us through the slip road too late and basically ran on track with bikes going quickly and expecting to do a full lap - there were various speeds and levels of confusion in just that 5 sec period. That Chappy said he experienced the same and it actually put him off the tarmac to me suggests that until we have a marshalling structure that is formalised and full time (read, never) - not that I am digging on our volenteers as they do a great job - it's just that at a traffic control level on track we need a very high standard which that point at the hairpin really requires. Andrew/Skunk has a good overview and can see a lot from the control tower, but not everything, and to me that's where that decision making ability is needed at track level. This is also required now for the flag at end of pitlane, and more than once already that flag and the start/finish one haven't agreed (as far as I have been told anyway). To me, it is best to take that decision away, and make everyone do a full lap, even if it does cost a little time...

Also, I'm riding an R1 and they DON'T cool when standing still, so I could do without that wait...

[MSTRS:Me]

At the risk of being contentious....
The start was red flagged, and you were all waved through. "Everyone" knows that a return to pitlane is the order of the day when a race is red flagged. Well, I say 'everyone' - Chopper was still the only 'everyone'

[discodan]

At the risk of being contentious....
The start was red flagged, and you were all waved through. "Everyone" knows that a return to pitlane is the order of the day when a race is red flagged. Well, I say 'everyone' - Chopper was still the only 'everyone'

Yep but was the race redflagged as such? There wasn't any communication with the riders as to what they were supposed to do. The safest option was to return to pitlane but from the side lines it looked like they were being signaled to do another warmup lap and grid up again.

In then end I dont think anyone was at fault and fortunately it all ended without incident. On the bright side, it gives us a chance to rectify a crack in the starting procedure. Perhaps if the throat slitting motion was used by the starter to signify that the start has been aborted and the circular motion with a finger in the air was used to signify a second warmup lap?

[The Chow]

Yep but was the race redflagged as such? There wasn't any communication with the riders as to what they were supposed to do. The safest option was to return to pitlane but from the side lines it looked like they were being signaled to do another warmup lap and grid up again.

In then end I dont think anyone was at fault and fortunately it all ended without incident. On the bright side, it gives us a chance to rectify a crack in the starting procedure. Perhaps if the throat slitting motion was used by the starter to signify that the start has been aborted and the circular motion with a finger in the air was used to signify a second warmup lap?

It did seem strange watching it online , however as I was not there I will not pass an opinion on what did and didn't happen.

Just a thought , may be too many people in the control tower while Skunk and co are trying to make decisions , maybe the non-essential personal should not be allowed in the race control part of the tower. It some times seems real crowded in there. And heaps of talking , maybe the race control guys need to have a more controlled area for them. Just a thought thats all. Over and out.

[jellywrestler]

the marshall got the call to put us through the slip road too late

Doesn't matter a toss the RED FLAG instructions in the programme clearly says you must use the slip road.
Everybody should've been riding around at a pace expecting to use the slip road and had their hand up, or leg out accordingly.

This simply highlighted the fact that pretty well no-one on the track had bothered to read the riders briefing didn't it?????

[Biggles08]

Doesn't matter a toss the RED FLAG instructions in the programme clearly says you must use the slip road.
Everybody should've been riding around at a pace expecting to use the slip road and had their hand up, or leg out accordingly.

This simply highlighted the fact that pretty well no-one on the track had bothered to read the riders briefing didn't it?????

Hindsight....from my point of view is a wonderful thing! At the time when we were waved away from the grid as an aborted start, I "presumed" it was to do an extra warm-up lap and off I went for another lap to line up again on the grid (as did most of the others). However, after the fact I realized that the track had RED FLAGS everywhere on that "warm-up lap" meaning we should have returned to the dummy grid (off the track). If it was another warmup lap to be re-gridded there would have been YELLOW flags out at the points. I made a mistake in this instance and I have taken this as a learning experience and it won't happen again.

Lesson out of this...if a RED FLAG is EVER shown on the track (racing or not) you should return to the dummy grid for further instructions.

With regards to the slip road use, I'm not convinced about the safty of its use in circumstances such as what happened in this instance and maybe a rule such as "if a start is aborted then use an entire lap before returning to the grid or the dummy grid depending on the flags shown." This would stop any confusion and only use the slip road at the end of a race to save time.

My 2c anyway.

[jellywrestler]

With regards to the slip road use, I'm not convinced about the safty of its use in circumstances such as what happened in this instance and maybe a rule such as "if a start is aborted then use an entire lap before returning to the grid or the dummy grid depending on the flags shown." This would stop any confusion and only use the slip road at the end of a race to save time.

My 2c anyway.

then there's confusion, one rule for all incidents involving a red flag, then there's NO CONFUSION

[Billy]

Doesn't matter a toss the RED FLAG instructions in the programme clearly says you must use the slip road.


This simply highlighted the fact that pretty well no-one on the track had bothered to read the riders briefing didn't it?????

Hindsight....from my point of view is a wonderful thing! At the time when we were waved away from the grid as an aborted start, I "presumed" it was to do an extra warm-up lap and off I went for another lap to line up again on the grid (as did most of the others). However, after the fact I realized that the track had RED FLAGS everywhere on that "warm-up lap" meaning we should have returned to the dummy grid (off the track). If it was another warmup lap to be re-gridded there would have been YELLOW flags out at the points. I made a mistake in this instance and I have taken this as a learning experience and it won't happen again.

Lesson out of this...if a RED FLAG is EVER shown on the track (racing or not) you should return to the dummy grid for further instructions.

With regards to the slip road use, I'm not convinced about the safty of its use in circumstances such as what happened in this instance and maybe a rule such as "if a start is aborted then use an entire lap before returning to the grid or the dummy grid depending on the flags shown." This would stop any confusion and only use the slip road at the end of a race to save time.

My 2c anyway.

And right there I see the problem,NO supplementary regs or riders briefing may contradict the rulebook,As I have not seen the said riders briefing in the program,I cannot comment further,BUT if it contradicts the rulebook then it needs to be changed immediately,Rule 22.7.1,All competitors still running will continue on the current lap at a safe considerably reduced speed to the pits,The riders briefing mentioned above is NOT something I signed off on in the supp regs supplied too me.