I believe in gay marriage

[Drew]

Come up with some new stuff Drew your trolling is getting weak.

Who's trolling?

You telling me I 'ave no say?

A down side to the system, everyone ^^^ get to have a say come voting time.

[The Lone Rider]

I had some gay and gay support "friends" ranting on Facebook.

They love to do that it seems.


So I told them to list the differences between a civil union and a marriage.

No one was really able - mainly just got more rants.



Out of the one or two "differences" that were said... I quashed all of them

Such as them complaining gays cannot adopt.



I said to them.. are you sure? They were adamant they knew better.


So I rang CYFS and Adoption NZ (as my "friends" were were unwilling to do more than rant).

Boy were my gay "friends" wrong.

In fact, gays qualify to adopt as well as I can. And as a straight single male, they have one up on me as the law states I am not able to adopt a female.

[oldrider]

Minority groups demands are nearly always dismissed as just a case of the tail wagging the dog!

Why does the dog allow the tail to do this?

Because the dog is just too fucking lazy and disinterested to do it himself!

[Virago]

Waving the "minority group" flag to support the depriving of others of equal rights doesn't cut it.

Perhaps we could legislate against anyone over the age of 65 from being married? After all, they're just a minority group. They certainly can't procreate, and the thought of them having sex is distasteful. They don't need to be married. I mean, it all comes down to common decency, doesn't it?

[oldrider]

Waving the "minority group" flag to support the depriving of others of equal rights doesn't cut it.

Err, your emotions got ahead of you again .... the criticism was of the so called "moral/silent majority" (the lazy dog), not the minorities!

[Virago]

Err, your emotions got ahead of you again .... the criticism was of the so called "moral/silent majority" (the lazy dog), not the minorities!

Possibly, but what is your point? That the lazy dog, or "moral/silent majority" shouldn't cave into the tail's demands?

[oldrider]

Possibly, but what is your point? That the lazy dog, or "moral/silent majority" shouldn't cave into the tail's demands?

That the majority should be more proactive and lead rather than always being led when it comes to understanding the plight of minority groups! (Sigh)

[Nova.]

probs been posted, (cant be fucked going through 40 odd pages to check but..)

[Virago]

That the majority should be more proactive and lead rather than always being led when it comes to understanding the plight of minority groups! (Sigh)

So with regard to the issue of gay marriage, who exactly are the majority, and what way should they lead?

[short-circuit]

So with regard to the issue of gay marriage, who exactly are the majority, and what way should they lead?

He's got nothing

....some of my best friends are bigots....

[FJRider]

Gay marriage will be voluntary ... when they make it compulsory ... I may be worried ...

[short-circuit]

He's got nothing

....some of my best friends are bigots....

....Nah. Didn't think so. He lurked in the thread for fifteen minutes trying to come up with some jusification for his ludicrous post before logging off for a cup of tea, a nana nap and then a damn good think about how to reconcile coming across as an uptight conservative bigot while claiming to be a "libertarian"....

Looks like John Banks did a flip flop on that score too

http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.co...-marriage.html

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/articl...ewsmain%2Cnrhl

[oldrider]

So with regard to the issue of gay marriage, who exactly are the majority, and what way should they lead?

There is no such thing as gay marriage!

There are those that desire that same sex couples should be included in in the existing marriage process, so in the terms of your question, they would be a minority!

My understanding of the issue (as you put it) is that provisions for same sex couple official and legal recognition was catered for with the introduction of "Civil Unions".

The Civil Union ceremony also applies to heterosexual couples so it would appear that Civil Union should eventually establish it's self as the majority preference and displace marriage over time because Civil Union is all inclusive.

The only advantage in the claim for same sex couples to be included in the existing "marriage" process is to be able to use the name "marriage"!

If all the old arguments prior to Civil Union are correct Civil Union should be the way forward while marriage is scheduled to join the dinosaurs as the old guard dies off.

Why would so called modern enlightened self styled forward thinking people want to fight for the right to join with the dinosaurs?

Or is the real agenda just a continuation of we want, we want, we want to be included where currently we are not ... just for the hell of it!

Adoption is not part of the same law and comes under an entirely different act so is not part of the same issue!

[Virago]

...There are those that desire that same sex couples should be included in in the existing marriage process, so in the terms of your question, they would be a minority!...

Please explain. Every current poll on the issue suggests that roughly two thirds of New Zealanders are very much in favour of same-sex marriage. The "moral majority" of which you speak is getting thinner on the ground, and they do not have a mandate to speak on behalf of heterosexuals.

...Or is the real agenda just a continuation of we want, we want, we want to be included where currently we are not ... just for the hell of it!...

The tired old argument that "They don't need the same rights as me, they are catered for in other ways." is also flawed. Equality and civil rights are not sought "for the hell of it", except in the self-serving perception of those who already have them.

[FJRider]

There is no such thing as gay marriage!

I think the intent of proposed change wanted ... is there being no distinction between Gay or Hetrosexual marriages. Just simply a legal marriage between a couple. Be it for love, or for legal convenience.

As it is for the Hetrosexual community now.