What does KB think i should do to this prick?

[BoristheBiter]

What I think is acceptable is irrelevant. I simple assume others are going to try to anyway and don't crash.
Crying over spilt milk afterwards does not change the fact that there were moves that could have been taken to avoid an accident.

Your anticipating what others are going to do, or you crash. Its pretty simple math. Strange thing is that is applies EVERYWHERE.
There are much safer things in the world if you can't anticipate what is going to hit you.

The world is full of arseholes, if you think I am one of the worst ones I highly suggest not riding motorbikes (there are worse than me out there).

I will take that as a yes then.

You must be a fucking top rider if you can anticipate someone running into the back of you.
And saying that mister fucking expert, what could have the OP done to avoid being run into?

[Crasherfromwayback]

, what could have the OP done to avoid being run into?

I can answer that one. Go a shitload faster.

[BoristheBiter]

I can answer that one. Go a shitload faster.

Thought that after I posted it

[Drew]

Ok, this is fun to read now.
Let me point out a few things... Just to clarify.
There are photos in the thread showing the guy at fault. The photographer will confirm my version of events along with the 10+ other people on that corner at the time.
The other rider admitted fault to me directly after the crash while I was being tended by ambulance staff.
I had not overtaken anybody, It happened on ford crest. I was following the racing line shown to me, and I have checked it against top superbike racers in NZ and it is the same/ correct line for
my position on the track and corner entry/speed. You run through there at the same pace as Stroud, Bugden, Sherriffs, Frost, and Cole do ya? On a bike set up the same? Because if not, the line might be different.
I was not going slow, in fact I was passing several people in the group.

I was accelerating through the corner and was about to apex when hit by the other rider.
I don't know why he was out of position, He admitted to me via email that he thought he could undertake me safely in the gap because he falsely misinterpreted the situation and thought I was running out wide when I had not even apex'd yet. He also told me that I was clearly a capable rider as he was behind me for multiple laps.(I can prove this in court if needed) What is "out of position"? Was he on the track? Because there are many ways around every corner, with very similar times and speeds.

Of course you have not heard his version, nor his reason for being out of position on the track, nor his reason for trying to undertake me when he knew it was not allowed.

I made the mistake of putting this thread up here, I edited my angry posts, I'm happy to comment now.

Anything else you want to ask or say, go ahead.
I would delete the thread but I cant...

Stop trolling, any one of you would be pissed if the same happened to you. I got insurance. I gave the guy a chance to be decent and pay me what he said he would. Its his problem now, not mine. No hard feelings from me. That's life.
Make a stupid decision, live with the consequences. He can live with his,
This thread is clearly mine

Yeah, we'd be pissed, and we'd suck it up because we're not girls and we signed a waiver.

You cannot hold anyone else responsible for damages, for what happens on the track.

He thought he could do it safely, he was wrong. It is for exactly that reason that you sign the form.

You are the weakest link, goodby.

[Katman]

Better spell it out for me.

W.h.y. d.o. t.h.e. A.R.T. o.r.g.a.n.i.s.e.r.s. s.t.i.p.u.l.a.t.e. n.o. u.n.d.e.r.t.a.k.i.n.g?

[D3ADLYTuna]

If the question is "should the undertaking rider take reponsibility for causing the crash" personally IF he accepts he is to blame then an apology is needed. BUT IMHO-NOT a legal battle with the courts.I personally believe the track is a very different environment to the road and to choose to blanket the track with rules would soon see track days and racing legislated out of existence. However this thread is yet to see any compelling evidence that this was indeed the situation and not the misguided perceptions of the "victim"

So you think an apology is needed, would it not be reasonable to ask the guy to pay your insurance excess as he was at fault and admitted it. he offered to pay me half my excess which was $1500, He didnt pay, his problem.

[Drew]

W.h.y. d.o. t.h.e. A.R.T. o.r.g.a.n.i.s.e.r.s s.t.i.p.u.l.a.t.e n.o. u.n.d.e.r.t.a.k.i.n.g?

Because it causes the other bike to go down, if you fuck it up. We all get it. That is the only argument for the side you're on, you've said it so shut up till you think of another argument.

[Drew]

So you think an apology is needed, would it not be reasonable to ask the guy to pay your insurance excess as he was at fault and admitted it. he offered to pay me half my excess which was $1500, He didnt pay, his problem.

I feel really sorry for anyone who spends any time around you.

[D3ADLYTuna]

Yeah, we'd be pissed, and we'd suck it up because we're not girls and we signed a waiver.

You cannot hold anyone else responsible for damages, for what happens on the track.

He thought he could do it safely, he was wrong. It is for exactly that reason that you sign the form.

You are the weakest link, goodby.

Have you read the form, are you a little bit slow. The only remaining question is whether the guy has legal liability for damages incurred (as he admitted fault), There is no precedent that I can find, and the insurance company will let me know what happens, I gave him a choice, not that I told him about it.
The choice being:
- Pay the $750 he said he would pay me and I forget about my broken bones and written off bike and let live. OR
- Don't pay and get served, Whether he wins or loses my insurance company does it all for me and he will have at least a legal scare, or at most have to pay 'Everything'

[D3ADLYTuna]

I feel really sorry for anyone who spends any time around you.

Doesn't answer the question. You think he should apologise granted.

I'll spell it out:

If it was you, would you ask the party at fault to pay your excess?

[Bassmatt]

Yeah, we'd be pissed, and we'd suck it up because we're not girls and we signed a waiver.

You cannot hold anyone else responsible for damages, for what happens on the track.

He thought he could do it safely, he was wrong. It is for exactly that reason that you sign the form.

You are the weakest link, goodby.

Happy to admit I'm not the track expert that others are(or appear to be) but any waiver I have seen/signed is to absolve the organisers from any responsibility not the other participants.

[Katman]

Because it causes the other bike to go down, if you fuck it up. We all get it. That is the only argument for the side you're on, you've said it so shut up till you think of another argument.

Thank-you Drew.

Case closed.

[Drew]

Happy to admit I'm not the track expert that others are(or appear to be) but any waiver I have seen/signed is to absolve the organisers from any responsibility not the other participants.

Never signed one that didn't absolve everyone there.

I have not seen the one this squid signed though... Sorry, this Tuna.

[Drew]

Doesn't answer the question. You think he should apologise granted.

I'll spell it out:

If it was you, would you ask the party at fault to pay your excess?

No, I would not ask for any money.
I might be angry and call him a cunt, but that's prolly where it'd end.

[Bassmatt]

Never signed one that didn't absolve everyone there.

I have not seen the one this squid signed though... Sorry, this Tuna.

Ok. If thats the case he's fucked and I withdraw my support. It will never get to court either - time will tell I guess.