Welfare support and drug testing

[mashman]

Put tracking collars on anyone on the benefit who isn't doing his pre arranged 40 hours of community service, so that they can be monitored and called up to clean up whatever needs cleaning up in their neighbourhood. Street cleaning, beach cleaning, oil spills, whatever. Give them nothing for nothing.

P.S. Tender management of the jail services to private industry and let them force the guests to do hard labour or the hole. Make it almost profitable to keep them. That'll make it much more palatable to the discerning tax payer who is keen to see his fellow man enjoys the benefit of a fully rounded education.

It'd be worth murdering people to open up a vacancy to apply for... failing that I can go to jail and do fuck all. The worst that'll happen is that I get a beating for not doing my jail work and end up in hospital smashed on some groovy drug.

[Akzle]

productivity equals profitability. Employers love profits and will grow their businesses as long as it is profitable. Productivity is essential and many (I haven't lumped all of them in as some are transitional) unemployed simply don't care to put themselves out enough to feed themselves. Fuck em. Don't reward them by giving them something for nothing. It pisses off others who are working but aren't much better off and they then decide fuck it I'll play the same game.

ahh. profit.
because that's the most important thing in the world.
oh. fucking. dear.
see. we're never going to agree now. because money is the root of all evil. and you worship money.
enjoy your next incarnation as a peasant.

Dude. There is a natural default involved for those incapable of supporting themselves. They die.
There's a limit to what everyone else, in a caring society is prepared to give them in order that they can fail without the death thing. There has to be, because there's no natural limit to what the failures will take, wheras we've already exceeded a sustainable cost. In short: the cupboard's bare, work or die.

oh if only! if only society could be like that. i'd be on top of a large pile of dead bodies with my ak47.
you don't think, that perhaps the whole system might be a bit fucked? that whole, "money", the "take money off the hampsters" and "give money to the shareholders" and "spend money on roads of national significance".. you don't think there might be some inherent flaw in a medium which is borrowed from a private (profitable!) institution and guaranteed by YOU accepting servitude of another man?
i don't see how that little scheme could go wrong eh?
you don't think that if people were working for humanity, instead of their own selfish gain (money) we might all move forward?

probably not eh, easier to lay the blame on others, however poor and uninfluential they might be. the media sure has you by the snout.

[flyingcrocodile46]

ahh. profit.
because that's the most important thing in the world.
oh. fucking. dear.
see. we're never going to agree now. because money is the root of all evil. and you worship money.
enjoy your next incarnation as a peasant.

Will you be vacating the role anytime soon?

[scumdog]

Will you be vacating the role anytime soon?

You overestimate him I fear...

[flyingcrocodile46]

It'd be worth murdering people to open up a vacancy to apply for... failing that I can go to jail and do fuck all. The worst that'll happen is that I get a beating for not doing my jail work and end up in hospital smashed on some groovy drug.

It's pretty clear that you aren't looking at the picture I painted. No drugs dude. Just pain... or the game plan... Pain.. Game plan... pai.. Get it?

[Akzle]

Will you be vacating the role anytime soon?

can't imagine i will. i have food. shelter, money, drugs, friends (believe it or not), whanau, and a whole lot of good karma piling up. my needs are met and i'm happy.
you're starting to smell a bit...
are you happy? you don't sound like a happy person...

[husaberg]

Conceded.

I expeced 19 out of 20 to tell you the truth i was disapointed.

I mean seeing the damage that this policy could and probably will do. Tis already keeping those who would be more than capable away from jobs.

This is your point. Now sell me on it? what will the damage be?

Simple question... t'would seem it was rhetorical though.

Nah it was a complex multi faceted question that was misleadingly pointed/designed/phrased to give the response you wanted. That is coercion, hence my answer.

Would there be less train drivers as they're a drain on society? They'd probably be automated.
Aye, that's the state of affairs today. Shit swallowing people, me included to a degree.

Er... the trains was a joke read it again...

So it's a health and safety concern? that makes it all the more reasonable then. G

Yip

I will disagree with the people not meeting the policy. We have been getting along fine until now, I see no reason for that not to continue without such overtly stupid measures.

Sorry don't agree, the employed aren't getting along alright are they. ESP if they are sitting around with nothing better to do than get high.

Does anyone ever die where drugs aren't involved?

Yip of course, but do really sincerely think drug testing doesn't help at all.......... really.

You're right, it's not tiddly winks, it's people being at work under the influence that are the issue, not those with traces of substances in their system... a gulf in thinking that seems to be seriously lacking.

So you don't disagree with the testing....Its just the levels...........

[idb]

ahh. profit.
because that's the most important thing in the world.
oh. fucking. dear.
see. we're never going to agree now. because money is the root of all evil. and you worship money.
enjoy your next incarnation as a peasant.


oh if only! if only society could be like that. i'd be on top of a large pile of dead bodies with my ak47.
you don't think, that perhaps the whole system might be a bit fucked? that whole, "money", the "take money off the hampsters" and "give money to the shareholders" and "spend money on roads of national significance".. you don't think there might be some inherent flaw in a medium which is borrowed from a private (profitable!) institution and guaranteed by YOU accepting servitude of another man?
i don't see how that little scheme could go wrong eh?
you don't think that if people were working for humanity, instead of their own selfish gain (money) we might all move forward?

probably not eh, easier to lay the blame on others, however poor and uninfluential they might be. the media sure has you by the snout.

How do you gain access to the internet to enable you to spread your wisdom to the masses?
And why would you shoot poor people?
And why are you quoting Adele and Meatloaf...they're rolling in money?

I have soooooo many questions............

[mashman]

It's pretty clear that you aren't looking at the picture I painted. No drugs dude. Just pain... or the game plan... Pain.. Game plan... pai.. Get it?

You just changed it... no fair.

[Ocean1]

Busy. But this:

Tell you what, ditch the financial system and everyone gets to live...

If there was no token representing value then how would you pay benefits? Bag of spuds? Paid for with an oil change? Which cost three and a half T shirts? Don't be fucking ridiculous, if there was no currency there’d be no organised charity.

I know you think it’s demeaning for beneficiaries to have to answer for anything. Most of the rest of the world knows the solution to that problem...

[FJRider]

you don't think that if people were working for humanity, instead of their own selfish gain (money) we might all move forward?

probably not eh, easier to lay the blame on others, however poor and uninfluential they might be. the media sure has you by the snout.

I hear you COMRADE ...

BUT ...

If more people were working ... this thread probably wouldn't have happened ... and it's easier (and more productive) to go out and get a job ... than sit on your couch smoking dope, and laying the blame of your misfortunes ... on somebody else ...

[idb]

can't imagine i will. i have food. shelter, money, drugs, friends (believe it or not), whanau, and a whole lot of good karma piling up. my needs are met and i'm happy.
you're starting to smell a bit...
are you happy? you don't sound like a happy person...

That sounds nice...its sounds like you're having a good time with all that food, shelter, money, drugs...haaaang ooonnnnn...did you say you have money?

see. we're never going to agree now. because money is the root of all evil. and you worship money.

[flyingcrocodile46]

can't imagine i will. i have food. shelter, money, drugs, friends (believe it or not), whanau, and a whole lot of good karma piling up. my needs are met and i'm happy.
you're starting to smell a bit...
are you happy? you don't sound like a happy person...

Allways happy to help people understand the worthlessness of their opinions.

I see you are obviously aware that happiness is relative and really boils down to your state of mnd. People who aim low are nearly allways happier with their lot in life as the lower the aim, the closer it gets to what really matters.

As long as they pay their own way all is good. If they are happy that is a bonus, as happiness has nothing to do with material property. Which of course is just another reason why it's pointless giving people money for nothing. It doesn't make them happy. Respect is what makes them happy and if they want that they have to earn it... along with the money.

[mashman]

I expeced 19 out of 20 to tell you the truth i was disapointed.

This is your point. Now sell me on it? what will the damage be?

Nah it was a complex multi faceted question that was misleadingly pointed/designed/phrased to give the response you wanted. That is coercion, hence my answer.

Aye, that's the state of affairs today. Shit swallowing people, me included to a degree.
Er... the trains was a joke read it again

Yip

Sorry don't agree the employed aren't getting along alright are they

Yip of course, but do really sincerely think drug testing doesn't help at all.......... really.

So you don't disagree with the testing....Its just the levels...........

Well I'm sure you could coerce the 19th into shape... iffen he's in the same industry as yourself he's likely gonna be a push over for a bit of propaganda.

Misery for those who have traces of a substance in their blood.

It wasn't complex at all. That's exactly what's happening. You wanting to make it complicated isn't surprising though.

I saw the joke and thought it was shit.

Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... it doesn't get any better than that.

I disagree with your disagreement.

If there's cause to suspect it's being taken at work, absolutely.

Yes and no, as said above, there needs to be enough of a suspicion that it is being used at work.

[sootie]

SIGNATURE
Ineptocracy: A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

You know, if you worked on it a bit, I bet you could be quite cynical about how our society works ......