Key 'out of touch' over hungry kids

[Akzle]

...in your alternate society, what does it mean to waste your youth...or even to have a productive old age?
What're the measures in your universe?
How do you reference 'wasted' against 'productive'?
You've obviously thought about it a lot, and decided to tie your personal outlook to Jim Steinman's legendary words, so I'm interested in your philosophy.

that, as it was written in your society, refers to Yyour society. whereby "get a haircut and a real job" is what's the kids are told.
so from this perspective.. wasting your youth would involve having long hair and no job. probably doing things like driving motorbikes, fast cars, getting drunk and fucking bitches too.
a productive old age would be knocking one up, feeding the kid. getting a haircut and a "real job" selling your ass to "the man" for 40 hours a week having a mortgage and a wife you don't like that much but don't want to give half the house to, and dying somewhere warm without actually accomplishing much.
or you could take his other lyric about dying at the bottom of a ditch in the blazing sun, torn at twisted at the foot of a burning bike. in which case the wasted youth would be his, on the assumption that his youth could have *presumably* been put to some constructive use within society.

the measures in my universe? depends what i'm measuring. most things, millimeters. to 3 decimal places.

how do I reference wasted against productive? wasted would be doing something i didn't want to do, for an ideal i did not believe in.
productive, is doing what i need to do to be happy, to keep my kids fed, (if not happy) and benefiting those around me with my wisdom and my awesome shiney tools.

i don't tie my outlook to anything. it, as everything else, is fluid and changing, by the year/day/minute/second/lightyear/millenia.
oneday i might meet someone who has some good ideas, i will discuss it at length, and contemplate it over a joint with them. then, i may change my outlook, or (better) i may change their outlook. i may make their life better.

[idb]

that, as it was written in your society, refers to Yyour society. whereby "get a haircut and a real job" is what's the kids are told.
so from this perspective.. wasting your youth would involve having long hair and no job. probably doing things like driving motorbikes, fast cars, getting drunk and fucking bitches too.
a productive old age would be knocking one up, feeding the kid. getting a haircut and a "real job" selling your ass to "the man" for 40 hours a week having a mortgage and a wife you don't like that much but don't want to give half the house to, and dying somewhere warm without actually accomplishing much.
or you could take his other lyric about dying at the bottom of a ditch in the blazing sun, torn at twisted at the foot of a burning bike. in which case the wasted youth would be his, on the assumption that his youth could have *presumably* been put to some constructive use within society.

the measures in my universe? depends what i'm measuring. most things, millimeters. to 3 decimal places.

how do I reference wasted against productive? wasted would be doing something i didn't want to do, for an ideal i did not believe in.
productive, is doing what i need to do to be happy, to keep my kids fed, (if not happy) and benefiting those around me with my wisdom and my awesome shiney tools.

i don't tie my outlook to anything. it, as everything else, is fluid and changing, by the year/day/minute/second/lightyear/millenia.
oneday i might meet someone who has some good ideas, i will discuss it at length, and contemplate it over a joint with them. then, i may change my outlook, or (better) i may change their outlook. i may make their life better.

Well, now you've really confused me.
I'll admit that I'm drinking at the moment so my comprehension skills might be a bit lacking.

You (or Jim S) said that "a wasted youth is better than a productive old age."
Now you tell me that "wasted would be doing something I didn't want to do, for an ideal I did not believe in."
And, further, "productive, is doing what I need to do to be happy, to keep my kids fed."
So you (and Jim) are saying that keeping your kids fed and yourself happy are less better than doing something than you don't want to do, for an ideal you don't believe in.

If I'm going to follow you, oh Messiah, I need to understand.

[Maha]

probably doing things like driving motorbikes,

Driving Motorbikes?

[Nova.]

that, as it was written in your society, refers to Yyour society. whereby "get a haircut and a real job" is what's the kids are told.
so from this perspective.. wasting your youth would involve having long hair and no job. probably doing things like driving motorbikes, fast cars, getting drunk and fucking bitches too.

I ride motorbikes fast cars, get drunk, fuck bitches AND have a real job and a haircut.
Is there something wrong with me?

[oneofsix]

I ride motorbikes fast cars, get drunk, fuck bitches AND have a real job and a haircut.
Is there something wrong with me?

you ride fast cars you should be driving them. Don't you know that sitting on the roof of a fast car you don't have a seat belt.

[Swoop]

Shearers money tree is going to have to be grafted to make this work and I hope all sensible people see this for exactly what it is.
Cynical,fraudulent vote buying, that will further dumb down and make certain of those people seeing their responsibilities further diminishing will vote for good ol Nanny F.....g state.

A standard labour tactic.
Sadly, the stupid fall for it time and time again.

What we need is a final solution. I'm pretty sure we can buy some ex commuter trains cheap, and it can't cost that much to build some camps to send them to.

A good mate is completely convinced that NZ's "final solution" is Porirua.
He makes a good argument for his theory as well.

[ducatilover]

I ride motorbikes fast cars, get drunk, fuck bitches AND have a real job and a haircut.
Is there something wrong with me?

Yes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If I'm going to follow you, oh Messiah, I need to understand.

don't you know anything about following a Messiah? It is key that you DON"T understand. If you did you would not be suitable flock-fodder.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I ride motorbikes fast cars, get drunk, fuck bitches AND have a real job and a haircut.
Is there something wrong with me?

Yes, you refer to women (who have been kind enough to have the sex with you - so by definition, charity workers) as "bitches".

Do you live in a rap video?

[Akzle]

I ride motorbikes fast cars, get drunk, fuck bitches AND have a real job and a haircut.
Is there something wrong with me?

dunno.
are you happy?

...
You (or Jim S) said that "a wasted youth is better than a productive old age."
Now you tell me that "wasted would be doing something I didn't want to do, for an ideal I did not believe in."...

...If I'm going to follow you, oh Messiah, I need to understand.

keep drinking. it will come.

you missed the point. the lyric refers to YOUR society. the definitions following were MY definitions.

i make no claim to messiah-dom, nor do i want you to stand under, nor follow me.
being a (half-cut, half-funny) jackass isn't going to improve your condition.

don't you know anything about following a Messiah? It is key that you DON"T understand. If you did you would not be suitable flock-fodder.

so... can you explain the global financial system to me. more, could you explain it to a five year old?
(no. but you're sure as shit the fleeced flock, innit.)

[James Deuce]

Show me a "genuinely"homeless kid. I'll show you a dysfunctional family unit that goes back at least the last 2, possibly 4 generations of thinking the the govt will make it right.

Really? I've been homeless twice in the last two years. I've kept my family together, my kids in school, and I'm not the only one.


There's no help from the government. It's a myth.


Family are useless.


Most "Friends" disappear. One or two offer real help, but get overwhelmed very quickly by the magnitude of the issue they suddenly find themselves involved in.


The "brotherhood of motorcycling" is almost the biggest lie of all, third behind "community spirited Kiwis" and "there is no poverty in NZ". There is no help for a family with nowhere to go, especially if you are dumb enough to keep your job going while this is going on.


I know that many of you have struggled. I can also tell you that you've never lived in poverty, never understood the despair of being abandoned by everyone you know for being a "loser" and "obviously bringing it on yourself" despite being the victim of fraud for which people were jailed, but the victims never informed, and a multi-national exiting the NZ financial market after illegally acquiring 660 mortgages, realising they were in the shit, and simply winding their affairs up to avoid the legal ramifications.


That is how some people end up in poverty but you dare not tell anyone because the set of circumstances I've described is so beyond what right thinking people expect that you can only be a liar and a loser to have gone through that. How can you be in poverty, I hear you judgementally cry? Because you still end up owing money to people because of the financial fiddles pulled to allow a trillion dollar business to exit NZ's financial market. With nothing to show for it.


People don't choose poverty. I don't care how many losers or bludgers the privileged middle class of NZ "know" (believe me, you don't know them), there's a huge number of people out there doing the best they can with nothing to hand, nothing in reserve, and they don't deserve the bilious derision levelled at them by a right-wing government and it's media lackeys and they certainly deserve a great deal more critical thinking on the part of their fellow citizens when it comes to evaluating their personal worth.


And, no, I can't afford a lawyer, so I just have to suck it up and thank whatever passes for everyone else's imaginary friend that I have some friend's and workmates who stuck, and continue to stick by me.

[Brian d marge]

Really? I've been homeless twice in the last two years. I've kept my family together, my kids in school, and I'm not the only one.


There's no help from the government. It's a myth.


Family are useless.


Most "Friends" disappear. One or two offer real help, but get overwhelmed very quickly by the magnitude of the issue they suddenly find themselves involved in.


The "brotherhood of motorcycling" is almost the biggest lie of all, third behind "community spirited Kiwis" and "there is no poverty in NZ". There is no help for a family with nowhere to go, especially if you are dumb enough to keep your job going while this is going on.


I know that many of you have struggled. I can also tell you that you've never lived in poverty, never understood the despair of being abandoned by everyone you know for being a "loser" and "obviously bringing it on yourself" despite being the victim of fraud for which people were jailed, but the victims never informed, and a multi-national exiting the NZ financial market after illegally acquiring 660 mortgages, realising they were in the shit, and simply winding their affairs up to avoid the legal ramifications.


That is how some people end up in poverty but you dare not tell anyone because the set of circumstances I've described is so beyond what right thinking people expect that you can only be a liar and a loser to have gone through that. How can you be in poverty, I hear you judgementally cry? Because you still end up owing money to people because of the financial fiddles pulled to allow a trillion dollar business to exit NZ's financial market. With nothing to show for it.


People don't choose poverty. I don't care how many losers or bludgers the privileged middle class of NZ "know" (believe me, you don't know them), there's a huge number of people out there doing the best they can with nothing to hand, nothing in reserve, and they don't deserve the bilious derision levelled at them by a right-wing government and it's media lackeys and they certainly deserve a great deal more critical thinking on the part of their fellow citizens when it comes to evaluating their personal worth.


And, no, I can't afford a lawyer, so I just have to suck it up and thank whatever passes for everyone else's imaginary friend that I have some friend's and workmates who stuck, and continue to stick by me.

An assumption ther JD , Ive had me are handed to me on a plate back in the day , as in oh fk , .

As ive said a million times before and will a million times more , we can be just a heartbeat from "it all going south " and then you need the safety net that is the state ..

BUT ...if you things can be bad now days ....

Here's a report from my neck of the woods back a few years ago

Old Nichol st , for those who were DRs in London

http://archive.org/stream/bittercryo...ge/n5/mode/2up


I couldnt read all the way through , will have another go soon

Stephen

PS , the NZ treasury use the workforce and the ( low) wage economy to control inflation , now that is evil

[HenryDorsetCase]

so... can you explain the global financial system to me. more, could you explain it to a five year old?
(no. but you're sure as shit the fleeced flock, innit.)[]

In English, please?

[Oblivion]

It looks like beneficiaries risk losing some of their benefit if they do not have their child in ECE, enrolled with a local GP, and have wellchild checks. Along with being in school at age 5 or 6.

Sounds like a smart idea to be honest. This will stop parents on the DPB using the extra money that they get, on themselves instead of on their child. That will teach them what its really like to have a child. And hopefully put brakes on the baby train society.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ucation-health

Parents face having their benefits slashed in half if they don't send their children to school or early childhood education centres and enrol them with a doctor.

They must also complete basic health checks.

Social development minister Paula Bennet has just announced new 'social obligations' which she says will give kids a better start in life.

Around 125,000 beneficiary parents support more than 220,000 children and Bennett says the social obligations are ''reasonable and achievable.''

Parents already face losing 50 per cent of their main benefit from next month if they don't meet 'work obligations' - such as failing to attend a job interview.

From July next year all beneficiary parents must ensure their children:

* attend 15 hours a week Early Childhood Education (ECE) from age 3

* attend school from age five or six

* enrol with a General Practitioner

* complete core WellChild/Tamariki Ora checks

If they don't, a ''graduated sanction process'' will allow three warnings before they face a cut of up to 50 per cent.

"Social obligations will ensure dependent children of beneficiaries access and benefit from vital education and health services," Bennett said.

"These services are particularly important for vulnerable children as many currently miss out; we have an opportunity to address this through reforms."

Parents will get help if they are seen as high risk or are vulnerable or have complex needs. The scheme will cost $1.4 million to administer.

Last week Bennett announced she will stop payments to beneficiaries subject to arrest warrants. They will also be penalised if they refuse to apply for drug-tested jobs.

National's welfare reforms are expected to save up to $1b over four years but involve controversial proposals such as financial assistance for contraception. There are expectations single parents with children aged over five will undertake part-time work, and those with children aged over 14 full-time work.

Welfare payments costs around $7.6b every year.

[Akzle]

Really? I've been homeless twice in the last two years. I've kept my family together, my kids in school, and I'm not the only one.
ends" disappear. One or two offer real help,

bro. my iife n living aint flash but if you need my place you're welcome to it.
-edit- * as long as you're not a dick.

In English, please?

please explain the IMF, global financial system and "economy" so as a five year old could understand it...