Welfare support and drug testing

[flyingcrocodile46]

Corporate stress ....

Shame of bed wetting.. Oh! hang on that's mine.

[SPman]

Drugs....work....just combine the two......



I got a nail in my head and I know that I'm gone
When I'm driving the tractor on the drug farm
Got a knife in my back got a hole in my arm
When I'm driving the tractor on the drug farm........

[husaberg]

Corporate stress ....

Nah...........

probably not eh, easier to lay the blame on others,

[mashman]

She is, and is a lovely person. but remember she passes her drug test though.
Say what, they took drugs when they knew if they test positive they got let go (which they were told it would happen prior to the implementation of testing) it isn't propaganda, because it happened Cause and effect.

ok using the Mashy Mantra We then drug test the forgetful, the irritable,the poor work attenders, the happy, the quiet, the loud, the sleepy,The shy withdrawn, the sad,the ones that smell funny, the clumsy the ones, the ones with a lower sex drive, the anxious,and so on..... come on Mashy is that fair.
What if they want to target someone unfairly as well. or if some of the people (as in basically everyone is covered there) that meet some of these impossible array of symptoms, surly there would be some innocent people that would feel aggrieved or a bit agitated when singled out......

If its soeasy to detect how come some people miss the sytoms of serious addictions of all types (not just drugs) even close family and friends.

And yet she still didn't say yes? Obviously brighter than most.

The propaganda is the reason the policy is in place in the first place. By all means choose not to see it and by all means ignore the fact that people can get "stoned" anytime they like, which blows the health and safety excuse out of the water... unless of course you choose to ignore it.

Look into their eyes. FFS if you knew anything at all you might actually be dangerous. they;re already targeting people unfairly, but that's using my logic and common sense v's your unwavering need to follow the rules.

Because they're not looking for drugs and are probably not aware of how to spot someone who is taking drugs.

Au, ya got me, I'm pre-judging them innit? I do that, though because over the years I've dealt with a fairly large number of them, and of those, far from contributing almost all were a significant drag on their community. So when I generalise just go ahead and assume that I mean that comfortable majority, eh?

We've done this, it doesn't matter why they're there. And yes I understand that some are not capable of holding down a normal job and never will be, they're the reason the benefit's there in the first place. But they're the very last ones that should be using their dole to indulge in experimental pharmacuticals.

As for the lavel field? You've got it backwards again, the whole purpose of the benefit system is to tilt the field substantially in their favour. Testing 'em for drugs isn't going to change that, at worst it'll cull some of the "won't work"ers out of the herd of "can't work"ers the dole's supposed to be for.

I agree there are some drop kicks. There are also plenty, plenty of smart cunts who are perceived as drop kicks, because they are doing the same things that the drop kicks do. So no, I won't accept your generalisation, primarily as I've lived amongst them loser folk and they're anything but a majority from what I've seen.

Why not? I'm still to see a single reason why they shouldn't be allowed their own individual brand of entertainment, ya know, a little enjoyment... other than they shouldn't use the money charitably given to them by society to do anything other than hunt for mythical jobs.

really? tilted in their favour? you have to be trollin me. At worst it'll cost someone their life. As I've said before, offering no alternative to people who have nothing to lose can turn out really rather bad. But by all means let's see what happens. With any luck nothing, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[oneofsix]

Tuhoe now own Te Urewera. Plenty of green there.

[husaberg]

And yet she still didn't say yes? Obviously brighter than most.

one out of twenty matches your philoshy so you asume she must be brighter than everyone else. Only problem is it doesn't fit in to your overwelming support against drug testing does it.
Anyway here is another STRAW grasp that too Mashy

The propaganda is the reason the policy is in place in the first place. By all means choose not to see it and by all means ignore the fact that people can get "stoned" anytime they like,

No one ignores it Mashy that's why they test for it

which blows the health and safety excuse out of the water... unless of course you choose to ignore it.

No one ignores it Mashye that's why they test for it
I find it interesting, that it's propaganda only, if it doesn't fit with your values and beliefs.

Look into their eyes. FFS if you knew anything at all you might actually be dangerous.

Mashy you are over looking the products designed to mask the eye effects, you are also over looking the fact we wear safety tinted glasses, but i guess you didn't know that.PS Don't worry Mashy i don't consider you dangerous at all either.

they;re already targeting people unfairly, but that's using my logic and common sense v's your unwavering need to follow the rules.

If everyone gets test what can be fairer than that.
to back it up Whats more fairer than random testing it takes out the human factor and bias,For, race/ethnicity, age, gender and appearance but as i said sometime its conceivable the more "random" people get tested.

Because they're not looking for drugs and are probably not aware of how to spot someone who is taking drugs.

They don't need to spot someone Mashy. FFS they test for drugs, Are you not getting that. we don't all stand together watching dvd's all day contemplating how great we are. We are out working out who is the smartest Kardashian. The work is sometimes alone sometime in pairs, sometimes in groups, sometimes for weeks on end, sometimes overseas.

Look Mashy i get it, IYM illegal drugs are great,They never cause accidents. One one ever does stupid stuff while under the influence of them etc etc.
Everyone else is just wrong about them that's why we encourage people to give them to babies.

[Akzle]

Well you sure aren't a tower of virtue, so what is it that fucked you up so badly?

i'm not?
shit.
and here i was thinking there weren't nothing wrong with me.
are you the messiah? please, tell me what is so unvirtuous about my person?

Do you live in a rap video?

they want the nigger with the biggest nuts. well guess what? he is I and I am him....

okay. white cnuts. Prepare to be incensed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTm49jSF93s

[mashman]

one out of twenty matches your philoshy so you asume she must be brighter than everyone else. Only problem is it doesn't fit in to your overwelming support against drug testing does it.
Anyway here is another STRAW grasp that too Mashy
No one ignores it Mashy that's why they test for it
No one ignores it Mashye that's why they test for it
I find it interesting that it's propaganda only if it doesn't fit with your values and beliefs.

Mashy you are over looking the products deigned to mask the eye effects, you are also over looking the fact we wear safety tinted glasses, but i guess you didn't know that.PS Don't worry Mashy i don't consider you dangerous at all either.

If everyone gets test what can be fairer than that.
to back it up Whats more fairer than random testing it takes out the human factor and bias,For, race/ethnicity, age, gender and appearance but as i said sometime its conceivable the more "random" people get tested.

They don't need to spot someone Mashy. FFS they test for drugs, Are you not getting that. we don't all stand together watching dvd's all day contemplating how great we are. We are out working out who is the smartest Kardashian. The work is sometimes alone sometime in pairs, sometimes in groups, sometimes for weeks on end, sometimes overseas.

Look Mashy i get it IYM drugs are great,They never cause accidents. One one ever does stupid stuff while under the influence of them etc etc.
Everyone else is just wrong about them that's why we encourage people to give them to babies.

How often are people tested?

[husaberg]

How often are people tested?

Everyone pre employment.
Like i said before every overseas contract (prior to leaving) all the companies insist on that.
random is well, random but approx 4-6 weekly based on previous experience, but depends, its err random.could be every second week then 2 months....
last visit, while in Western Aussie everyday everyone. All the employees for the company, we were contacting for were as well that's they system i guess. Alcohol too.

[scumdog]

okay. white cnuts. Prepare to be incensed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTm49jSF93s[/color]

Why??

[husaberg]

Tuhoe now own Te Urewera. Plenty of green there.

OK that confuses the hell out of me.
i thought Tuhoe didn't er....sign the treaty. so er... how can it be a treaty settlement.
oh ell they now have lots of space for security training now anyway.
Least they get off there arse's occasionally too as well, you got to respect that.

Why??

[flyingcrocodile46]

Why??

Cause they make shit music? Who the fuck knows what the dysfunctional twat wants to tell us... could be anything. I remember one of them on his knees making a distracting racket while rustling around in the store cupboard. When I asked him what he was looking for he said 'Da goo' I said 'what', and he shouted out 'da glue' then picked up a bolt shook it and repeated 'da glue'.

We got there in the end. I sacked him.

[jasonu]

Nah it will be the system, or the government.

Maybe he fell of his high horse and got brain damage.

[jasonu]

okay. white cnuts. Prepare to be incensed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTm49jSF93s[/color]

I thought Flight of the Conchords only had 2 guys in it. Best laugh I have had in a while.

[mashman]

Everyone pre employment.
Like i said before every overseas contract (prior to leaving) all the companies insist on that.
random is well, random but approx 4-6 weekly based on previous experience, but depends, its err random.could be every second week then 2 months....
last visit, while in Western Aussie everyday everyone. All the employees for the company, we were contacting for were as well that's they system i guess. Alcohol too.

So plenty of time to go on a P bender, drop some disco biscuits and coke yer head off before the next test... unless they receive a surprise attack that is.

Has anyone ever been caught carrying pre-prepared pee (that's wee wee not the drug pseudohavingfun).