Commodity ownership?

[huff3r]

What the fuck are you talking about? Metered water costs are for the getting of said water to the tap, not paying tor the water itself.

Not to mention turning the filthy river water or whatever into clean, drinkable water. If you're really worried about water costs you could always go get some from the local river and purify it yourself...

(On that note, why do flushing toilets need to use drinkable tap water to flush? Surely untreated river water would work?).

[huff3r]

My family line comes from before Maori times,,as do most of Nga puhi,,,so if that's true it was obviously a little more complex than "drove off or killed",,plus it happened over a very long time not just in the last 200 years.

The white fella's took over nothing,,they were invited in and they signed an agreement they've had trouble living with ever since.

So what's your point anyway ?

Would you rather they did "take over"? They could've quite easily if they really wanted. And the agreement was bullshit, both sides agree to that.

[Madness]

On that note, why do flushing toilets need to use drinkable tap water to flush? Surely untreated river water would work?.

Are you serious? Imagine the costs involved in both building & maintaining a duplicate of the existing water supply pipelines to effect such a plan. Besides that, imagine how enthusiastic certain sectors of our society would be at the thought of brownish dunny water. The tourism & hospitality sector comes to mind as a start.

[FJRider]

My family line comes from before Maori times,,as do most of Nga puhi,,,so if that's true it was obviously a little more complex than "drove off or killed",,plus it happened over a very long time not just in the last 200 years.

The white fella's took over nothing,,they were invited in and they signed an agreement they've had trouble living with ever since.

So what's your point anyway ?

Before Maori times ... ??? So ... Nga puhi are not Maori then ... ???

[DEATH_INC.]

plus it happened over a very long time not just in the last 200 years.

What does the time have to do with it? The fact still remains that the Maori are no more native than anyone else left in this country.
We need to stop all this stupid money wasting treaty shit, have 1 set of rules for everyone, and get back to the important shit like building more roads and racetracks for us ALL to play on.

[Road kill]

Would you rather they did "take over"? They could've quite easily if they really wanted. And the agreement was bullshit, both sides agree to that.

They tried in Northland an got their arses handed to them on a plate,the treaty was then signed as a direct result of that.

later battles in the Waikato and Taranaki were simply the result the colonial gov't dishonouring it's own treaty.

Maori's biggist mistake was in trusting the whites to keeping their word on anything.

Maori should of just killed every one of the dirty bastards the minite they stepped off the boat.

They could of quite easily if they'd really wanted,,which unlike your bullshit,,is actually true.

[imdying]

They tried in Northland an got their arses handed to them on a plate,the treaty was then signed as a direct result of that.

later battles in the Waikato and Taranaki were simply the result the colonial gov't dishonouring it's own treaty.

Maori's biggist mistake was in trusting the whites to keeping their word on anything.

Maori should of just killed every one of the dirty bastards the minite they stepped off the boat.

They could of quite easily if they'd really wanted,,which unlike your bullshit,,is actually true.

What a load of rubbish... the only reason the British didn't send all the mud people to their god was that they'd bitten off more than they could chew in other more relevant areas of the world and couldn't be fucked with the effort to shore up some little island about as far away from the motherland as possible. It was cheaper and easier just to buy the darkies off with some blankets than to eradicate them... besides, savages make good slaves, can't work them if they're all dead. 50 years earlies they'd have all been pushing up daisies, the maori people should be grateful that fate leaned their way.

[FJRider]

We need to stop all this stupid money wasting treaty shit, have 1 set of rules for everyone, and get back to the important shit like building more roads and racetracks for us ALL to play on.

So maori will claim customary rights on them too ... ???

[DEATH_INC.]

besides, savages make good slaves,

Don't slaves work????

[imdying]

Don't slaves work????

Well the white man was stupid enough to give them KFC and the benefit... so that's his own doing!

[FJRider]

Well the white man was stupid enough to give them KFC and the benefit... so that's his own doing!

Don't forget ... musket's and booze as well ...

[Maha]

We need to stop all this stupid money wasting treaty shit, have 1 set of rules for everyone, and get back to the important shit like building more roads.

Money plays a big part when it comes to progess. I cost $Million to see a Taniwha disappear at Mercer about 10 years ago so roading could continue.
That ponga log wasn't always there....

[Winston001]

It cost $Million to see a Taniwha disappear at Mercer about 10 years ago so roading could continue.

It does seem absurd. Curiously, the leader of the Labour Party David Shearer believes in the Taniwha concept:

Labour Party leader David Shearer has long-held beliefs that taniwha must be respected when it comes to Maori and their interests in water. His views can be traced back to his master’s thesis, and he stands by them today.
Water has been the big political issue of the year, but when Mr Shearer was first asked who owned it he didn’t know.
But it turns out Mr Shearer has a degree of expertise on the issue – a master’s thesis in fact. It was called Between Two Worlds, Maori Values and Environmental Decision-Making.
In his thesis he advocated that “the belief in taniwha or spiritual pollution…while they may appear irrational to many…cannot simply be dismissed as irrelevant”. It’s a belief he still holds today.
“I absolutely stick by that,” says the Labour Party leader. He says we should acknowledge taniwha. “We have been doing that for the last 20-something years when we have made decisions around water.”

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/09/sh...es-in-taniwha/

[jellywrestler]

Money plays a big part when it comes to progess. I cost $Million to see a Taniwha disappear at Mercer about 10 years ago so roading could continue.
That ponga log wasn't always there....

yep and in wanganui about twenty years ago they wanted to fill the speedway up with water and run a jet sprint. the zulus got all upset about their 'cultural waters' going so when it was suggested they only fill the speedway (about a kilometer from the sea) when the tides coming in and therefore its sea water and not 'their' water it didn't work BUT 20 family tickets and a bunch of hot dogs was just the job to forget about how cultural their water would be after going through a jetboats driveline

[DEATH_INC.]

yep and in wanganui about twenty years ago they wanted to fill the speedway up with water and run a jet sprint. the zulus got all upset about their 'cultural waters' going so when it was suggested they only fill the speedway (about a kilometer from the sea) when the tides coming in and therefore its sea water and not 'their' water it didn't work BUT 20 family tickets and a bunch of hot dogs was just the job to forget about how cultural their water would be after going through a jetboats driveline

So maybe someone would like to explain how this money (or tickets) works? That's white man magic isn't it? Are the Maori's allowed to use it for cultural purposes?
What a joke...