Hi-viz, does it make a difference in rider visibility?

[Berries]

"Are motorcyclists more visible when wearing Hi-Viz?" If the answer is yes, then I think right there is a justified reason to wear Hi-Viz, because I'm sure as hell I'm not wearing Hi-Viz for its fashion looks.

You're convinced. You wear it. Good on you.

I'm not so I don't. What is the poll going to prove?

[sinfull]

They'll hear me before they see me !

But on topic, here's an experiment for ya Hot one !

Go for a ride around masterton (thinkin you're from there) and count how many hiviz vests you see in say an hours cruise through town, up and down every street !
Not just Motorcyclists but the garbage man, the dude cleaning the drains, the engineers plotting the landscape, the pothole man, the dude on his way to subway for lunch that works on one of the building sites etc etc etc
Every trade has to wear a hiviz vest now !!!!!

So you're trying to tell me that nanna up the road, who drives into town once a week to go play bingo and who has been aclimatised to seeing maybe a dozen hiviz vests every time she travels from one side of masterton to the other will see a hi viz vest on a motorcyclist before she see's my bike ?

So she looks left (sees the pothole man in his hiviz) looks right (sees the dude on his way to subway crossing the road)

Ya see where i'm going with this yet ?

Looks left again and goes cause it's just some dude in a hiviz vest !

[Ocean1]

If it's good enough for Audi....

I'm in the process of commiting an innovation on T'Buell.

These are now on:

And next week I'll fit the LED strips.

[Matariki]

You're convinced. You wear it. Good on you.

I'm not so I don't. What is the poll going to prove?

Its going to show what people here think. This thread isn't about the moral implications of those who wear Hi-Viz vs those that don't. Its about whether it works in terms of increased visibility or not. You don't wear Hi-Viz, good for you, and I'm sure you have some good reasons not to if you don't mind sharing.

[Matariki]

They'll hear me before they see me !

But on topic, here's an experiment for ya Hot one !

Go for a ride around masterton (thinkin you're from there) and count how many hiviz vests you see in say an hours cruise through town, up and down every street !
Not just Motorcyclists but the garbage man, the dude cleaning the drains, the engineers plotting the landscape, the pothole man, the dude on his way to subway for lunch that works on one of the building sites etc etc etc
Every trade has to wear a hiviz vest now !!!!!

So you're trying to tell me that nanna up the road, who drives into town once a week to go play bingo and who has been aclimatised to seeing maybe a dozen hiviz vests every time she travels from one side of masterton to the other will see a hi viz vest on a motorcyclist before she see's my bike ?

So she looks left (sees the pothole man in his hiviz) looks right (sees the dude on his way to subway crossing the road)

Ya see where i'm going with this yet ?

Looks left again and goes cause it's just some dude in a hiviz vest !

Yes, I see where you are going with this. But this is about visibility, and if Nanna is able to identify people as people better because they are more visible, then the hi-viz is doing its job.

[sinfull]

Yes, I see where you are going with this. But this is about visibility, and if Nanna is able to identify people as people better because they are more visible, then the hi-viz is doing its job.

You're serious aye lol

The only thing that will register in nanas mind is the grille of a 4x4 and sometimes not even then !

But i can see there is no point even trying to get across any other point of view to your mind set so enjoy your vest, i hope it keeps you safe !

[Matariki]

So, I've noticed that a few people have voted against Hi-Viz as a means of increasing riding visibility. I would like to know why.

Now just to clarify where I stand;

I am under the impression that Hi-Viz does have an impact on rider visibility based on the test results http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestre..._article_pdf/0.
Wearing Hi-Viz in conjunction with good motorcycle armour and defensive riding might reduce the number of accidents, injuries and deaths.
Wearing Hi-Viz doesn't guarantee you that other motorists has seen you, but it does increase the chances of you being seen while riding.
Wearing Hi-Viz does not give the rider a justified reason to ride recklessly.
Riders shouldn't be under a legal obligation to wear Hi-Viz if they don't want to.

Now to clarify what this post isn't about (I should of stated this in my first post);

Politics .
ACC.
Whether or not Hi-Viz can protect a rider from bodily impact (that's what armour is for).
Fashion.

This thread is about whether Hi-Viz makes a rider more visible or not, what your thoughts are on the effectiveness of Hi-Viz and whether or not you wear it.

[James Deuce]

Ok, new question; "Why the hostility over the subject of Hi-Viz?"

Because it will inevitably become compulsory with no concrete evidence that it works. Compulsion is fascism.

[bogan]

Ok, new question; "Why the hostility over the subject of Hi-Viz?"

Cos we don't like being told what to do when the justification behind it is complete bullshit.

[Matariki]

Because it will inevitably become compulsory with no concrete evidence that it works. Compulsion is fascism.

Cos we don't like being told what to do when the justification behind it is complete bullshit.

But guys, this isn't what the question is about or addressing, nor do I support the movement of compulsory Hi-Viz (yet alone of any safety gear). Perhaps I should picked a better time to bring this thread up, I didn't know there was a storm in the works regarding Hi-Viz.

[Tigadee]

I wonder: How about in workplaces where hi-vis is worn? Has it helped reduce the number of accidents at the workplace? If the answer is a definitive 'yes', then surely that can be applied to motorcycling, right?

We're not asked to paint our bikes yellow or orange, just wear one or two items of clothing [vest or jacket] that are completely or totally in those colours. Of course hi-vis cannot prevent stupidity and recklessness, but for those of us who are cautious, the odds will be at least slightly stacked in our favor as a result, won't they?

[wasiler]

Err, no. The light from you headlight completely masks you and what you're wearing.

Err, sorry, I meant from a car approaching from the side. Unless you have headlights on the side of your bike, then pay no mind.

[Kickaha]

but for those of us who are cautious, the odds will be at least slightly stacked in our favor as a result, won't they?

For those of you that are cautious it's probably the least needed

[duckonin]

They'll hear me before they see me !

But on topic, here's an experiment for ya Hot one !

Go for a ride around masterton (thinkin you're from there) and count how many hiviz vests you see in say an hours cruise through town, up and down every street !
Not just Motorcyclists but the garbage man, the dude cleaning the drains, the engineers plotting the landscape, the pothole man, the dude on his way to subway for lunch that works on one of the building sites etc etc etc
Every trade has to wear a hiviz vest now !!!!!

So you're trying to tell me that nanna up the road, who drives into town once a week to go play bingo and who has been aclimatised to seeing maybe a dozen hiviz vests every time she travels from one side of masterton to the other will see a hi viz vest on a motorcyclist before she see's my bike ?

So she looks left (sees the pothole man in his hiviz) looks right (sees the dude on his way to subway crossing the road)

Ya see where i'm going with this yet ?

Looks left again and goes cause it's just some dude in a hiviz vest !

So shall we carry on with your cryptic thoughts.. You say "she looks left see's the pothole man in his hi-viz" see's the dude on his way to subway wearing his hi-vis. Did she hit them no she did not.

So why would she not see your hi-vis vest she has eyes we hope. Forget your words 'she didn't see my motorbike/ . Yep she did she looked at the over all picture. You know I bet she even seen your large headlight glaring at her.

I do not advocate the wearing of anything compulsory at all, be it hi-vis anything/ white boots/ pink pants /yellow helmet, who cares as long as you stay safe and can be seen.

[sinfull]

So shall we carry on with your cryptic thoughts.. You say "she looks left see's the pothole man in his hi-viz" see's the dude on his way to subway crossing the road. So why would she not see your hi-vis vest she has eyes we hope. Forget your words 'she didn't see my motorbike/ . Yep she did she looked at the over all picture. You know I bet she even seen your large headlight glaring at her.

Back to your tent with ya !

When you re read my post and see i in fact said, "all she sees is another dude in a hiviz vest" come back and talk !

You in fact only saw what your mind wanted to see , just like little old ladies ducky, she will see yet another hi viz (that she's seen a doz of that day) but not the fact that it's moving as glancing will not show depth perseption and the fact it's changing ! And not the grille of a car or truck which her mind is looking for !

Take that and oil ya plumage with !