Commodity ownership?

[bogan]

yep and in wanganui about twenty years ago they wanted to fill the speedway up with water and run a jet sprint. the zulus got all upset about their 'cultural waters' going so when it was suggested they only fill the speedway (about a kilometer from the sea) when the tides coming in and therefore its sea water and not 'their' water it didn't work BUT 20 family tickets and a bunch of hot dogs was just the job to forget about how cultural their water would be after going through a jetboats driveline

This is a big part of the problem I think. While there are a large number of maori descendants, a much smaller number of that want to be treated differently with regard to treaty rights etc, an of that smaller number, some do beleive in the righteousness of their cause, while other just want some free KFC. Problem is, the smaller numbers are quick to claim representation over the larger, and scare the politicians into giving them more KFC, encouraged by this they ask for more also. I don't understand why all this new shit keeps coming up, this shit went down ages ago, make all the protests, sort em out, then be done with it.

[Hinny]

There are no Maori in New Zealand. There are some part-Maori people. They are a social group, no longer wholly defined by race.

Because there were next to no Maori left Charl Hirschfeld went to the Privy Council and got the definition of a Maori changed to 'anyone who identifies as Maori'.
Bet no one who signed the Treaty of Waitangi could have forseen that.

Interesting that media people seem to regard the claim to wind being promulgated as being something frivolous and without merit.
It clearly has as much merit as the claim to water.
The Prof that was on argued that you couldn't quantify it. That is clearly ridiculous. You can quantify it by the meter registering the electrical output of the wind turbines in the same way the water is quantified.
The claims have equal validity, and that is zero.

[liljegren]

Hi Mr Roadkill. Dont take offence here, but truly, there are no maori in New Zealand, there are only New Zealanders. I'm guessing by your rhetoric, that you are part maori, part non-maori. You then are challenged with seeing this from both sides, your maori side and your nonmaori side. When you can do this, you may be able to claim some sort of benefit from your maori side, and at the same time, pay for that benefit from your non maori side. Is this sounding ridiculous yet?
Perhaps this helps you to remove your racist glasses and see things from the other side, or maybe even allow you to form a balanced view. In 1840 some maori jokers signed(sic) a piece of paper, so did some English jokers. They no more represented me, than they represented you it seems. Get over yourself. We live in a fantastic place, its up to all of us to fuck it up.

[aprilia_RS250]

So in 1967 the NZ gov't nationalised all water development rights under the Water and Soil Conservation Act. So court hearing could say the Crown breached the treaty.

So out of all this what amazes me is that it takes Maori's 45 years to realise this....

Not the sharpest business acumen around...

[short-circuit]

So in 1967 the NZ gov't nationalised all water development rights under the Water and Soil Conservation Act. So court hearing could say the Crown breached the treaty.

So out of all this what amazes me is that it takes Maori's 45 years to realise this....

Not the sharpest business acumen around...

I think that may be because they believe they have a partnership with the crown. That's a bit different to a sell off into private hands.

[Hinny]

Not the sharpest business acumen around...

Any Maori blood that people have came from very cunning people.
You had to be cunning to survive. NZ was not an easy environment to live in. Climatically challenging when all you had to keep you warm was some flax mats. No large 4 legged animals to eat. Most other tribes wanting to eat you, pinch your food and slaves.
Only the cunning survive in that environment.
The modern whingers, haters and wreckers appear to favour the 'racist view' that nature is the defining determinant and that is why these people are so cunning. They were bred cunning....and spiritual.

[aprilia_RS250]

Any Maori blood that people have came from very cunning people.
You had to be cunning to survive. NZ was not an easy environment to live in. Climatically challenging when all you had to keep you warm was some flax mats. No large 4 legged animals to eat. Most other tribes wanting to eat you, pinch your food and slaves.
Only the cunning survive in that environment.
The modern whingers, haters and wreckers appear to favour the 'racist view' that nature is the defining determinant and that is why these people are so cunning. They were bred cunning....and spiritual.

Hardly the case.... NZ is a bit of a 5 star resort compared to Nordic and African environments. Plenty of fish, Moa's, water, trees, no scary wildlife and massive oscillations in climatic conditions.

[RDJ]

You are wrong

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10833926

They're just greedy fuckwits like the rest of us. I think issue would resolve it's self very quickly if most New Zealanders suddenly pronounced themselves as "Maori".

Yes. Most of us are just as Maori as Ken Mair. On the other hand, most of us prefer to live in the 21st century rather than try and regress to the 18th century and have 15/16th of our heritage under continuous accusation by the other 16th.

[Swoop]

Very shortly if Key has his way the Chinese will profit from our water for free

Don't mention "land claims" in the same sentence as china. Had a look recently at what they are up to with pissing off their neighbours?
Makes the Maori efforts look bloody pathetic in comparison!

Metered water costs are for the getting of said water to the tap, not paying tor the water itself.

Also, the getting rid of the water. Charges apply as a percentage of water disposed of (down the drains) around 85%(iirc) in Auckland. I bet other councils like the idea of charging twice for a service, so it will spread through the country if allowed to.

[Hinny]

Hardly the case.... NZ is a bit of a 5 star resort compared to Nordic and African environments. Plenty of fish, Moa's, water, trees, no scary wildlife and massive oscillations in climatic conditions.

People get lost in the bush in NZ and if not found after three days they seem to start looking for a body.
Fuck all to eat. They used to eat bracken fern roots - like pigs. Full of silica and would grind out their teeth.

[huff3r]

People get lost in the bush in NZ and if not found after three days they seem to start looking for a body.
Fuck all to eat. They used to eat bracken fern roots - like pigs. Full of silica and would grind out their teeth.

Most people in NZ that got lost in the bush wouldn't know what they could eat! Doesn't mean there isn't anything out there. Have you been to other countries and seen what their bush is like? And how much there is in their bush that will eat YOU?

[SPman]

Divide and conquer, eh. Key and his mates have you guys around their balls........

[Winston001]

Most people in NZ that got lost in the bush wouldn't know what they could eat! Doesn't mean there isn't anything out there. Have you been to other countries and seen what their bush is like? And how much there is in their bush that will eat YOU?

Yeah and you are right - in many ways NZ was a benign paradise for the early people. Plenty of resources compared with the meagre Pacific islands Maori emigrated from. Still, not a lot of protein and the English explorers observed Maori to be undernourished and half starved. Nobodies fault as after 800 years they had reached the limits of hunter-gather societies.

[jonbuoy]

Any Maori blood that people have came from very cunning people.
You had to be cunning to survive. NZ was not an easy environment to live in. Climatically challenging when all you had to keep you warm was some flax mats. No large 4 legged animals to eat. Most other tribes wanting to eat you, pinch your food and slaves.
Only the cunning survive in that environment.
The modern whingers, haters and wreckers appear to favour the 'racist view' that nature is the defining determinant and that is why these people are so cunning. They were bred cunning....and spiritual.

Climaticaly challenging?? Your getting them mixed up with Eskimos.

[Berries]

Nah, I think you mean pineapple lumps.