Don't worry sweetie, Banditbandit got the point... you go back to weaving flax baskets or baking that horrible bread, or whatever it is your man says you should be doing...
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Don't worry sweetie, Banditbandit got the point... you go back to weaving flax baskets or baking that horrible bread, or whatever it is your man says you should be doing...
Ta
Steady on there man. That horrible bread is nice when fried in a good old fashioned Maori skillet. Wait...Nevermind.Originally Posted by imdying
The name calling bit of a thread is usually my favourite, what's wrong with me?
Ta
We make allowances for you. Maari and got six toes on each foot, (being from Greytown), you really got dealt quite a hand indeed!
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH
I think he hit his head a few too many times. Or smoked too much weed.
Nail your colours to the mast that all may look upon them and know who you are.
It takes a big man to cry...and an even bigger man to laugh at that man.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Utter boollocks. They brought knowledge and proved. Maori are now using their intelligence to "claim" part of what whitey once considered to be theirs. Fuckin hilarious really. Even more funny when you consider that whitey mcwhite have given them the "tools" to fight their particular corner.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Descendant of Hotkebab
Descendant of Hotkebab
Cool story bro
Descendant of Hotkebab
Smarty pants... since ages ago
The two quotes were from the Herald. (Newspapers always lie eh ..) and they also believe 90 % of Maori are against the asset sales Prior to a Waitangi Tribunal decision on the matter.
Obviously the Maori Party are in agreement with the asset sales ... if they get a share of the profit arising from the sale .... in perpetuity. (and a "nice little earner " that would be)
The Nationalisation of the New Zealand waterways was for the protection of those waterways, and for the benefit and use of all New Zealander's. (This did not mean free Electricity, but available Electricity)
The SOE sale in itself ... doesn't seem to be the issue. The recognition of Maori rights to the water IS. It sets a legal precedent of all iwi in their respective tribal areas ... to their water rights. Any such award of shares under the "Customary Rights" label opens the door to a myriad of similar claims from other iwi for their waterways.
This is not only about only SOE sales ... but could be about access to ... and profit from , (as of right) under their "Customary Rights". By profit I ... mean possibly charging the public/business's a fee, for use of and access to ... those waterways. (Lakes AND rivers)
If shares ARE granted ... A right royal can of worms will be opened ...
From the Maori Party web-site. Quoting Te Ururoa Flavell ...
The Māori Party is continuing to put pressure on the government to front up on the issue of consultation on shares plus, after raising questions in the house on whether or not the Crown was meeting its obligations to consult in good faith with Iwi.
Te Ururoa Flavell, Māori Party MP for Waiariki said "we are extremely concerned at the way the Crown has treated this issue of consultation. They tell our hapu and iwi that they intend to consult in good faith, and yet their actions do not reflect this."
"The Crown have deliberately gone into these hui with a pre-determined outcome, they have used dismissive and derogatory language when referring to our peoples aspirations, and they have deliberately used divisive tactics to move through their asset sales agenda."
Mr Flavell said "we need to remember that unity of purpose is not the same as unity of voice. Each hapū and iwi has rangatiratanga in their own rohe, and we absolutely support the rights of iwi to continue to pursue their rights in respect of water - no matter where those pathways may take them."
"Our iwi have shown great commitment to advancing shared rights in water by coming together, meeting, and agreeing to support one another and stand shoulder to shoulder. This does not mean they have to each sing the same tune."
"That's why a national framework for addressing water rights is so critical. We need a protocol established which recognises the many avenues that iwi choose to take to have their issues addressed, whether it be through negotiation, participation in the land and water forum, through direct engagement or other."
Mr Flavell said "we can work in a unified way while still expressing our own rangatiratanga and pursuing our distinct rights in each awa and waterway."
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
I'ma get medieval on your ass!
Well said. Strange as it might sound I'm still pissed off at what the English did to the Scots 400 years ago. And I'm appalled at what Cromwell did to the Irish 350 years ago. These things are not forgotten or forgiven so its not surprising Maori bear grudges for only 150 years.
Hardcore Biker
Ridiculous, pissed of at who?? A race of people that dont even exist anymore. 350-400 years ago get real. No better than football louts who still do cringy hitler salutes at Germans who werent even born in second world war or islamic fundamentalists still pissed off over the crusades.
I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..
Just faidin away!
United States of America? ..... Larger scale and it took a while, a few wars and lots of dead people but hey, there they are!
United Iwi of Aotearoa? .... There's a parallel there I suppose if you look close enough and historically Maori were really into war and killing each other!
Like the man in the TV cheese add says, "good things take time" but then again, what version of events is "good" for New Zealand?
Most New Zealand citizens belong in the mushroom factory when it comes to our own history!
That's why some self interest groups are rewriting it to suit themselves and appear to be getting away with it!
Anarchic Wild Child
Not sure what you are getting at here ...?????
There's good evidence that the people who signed the Declaration of Independence at Waitangi in 1835 did have a United Iwi of Aotearoa in mind. They certainly knew the Ameican model ... buit it would probably have been a Unitd States of New Zealand .. the declaration is the first international legal documetn that uses the name Nui Tirini (New Zealand) for this countrry - and it is a Māori document ...
And HUMAN BEINGS are really into war and killing each other - not an exclusive Māori thing ... Māori did not declare war in Afghanistan .. that was a white people's war .. we just supply the cannon fodder and the VC winners ..
Our version of course ..
Agree with you there ...
Maybe that's because what was written in the first place was just plain wrong !!!That's why some self interest groups are rewriting it to suit themselves and appear to be getting away with it!
But we all rewrite history .. history is the preserve of the victors .. and very soon that will be the brown races of this country, not the white races .. because we are out-breeding you ...
Last edited by Banditbandit; 25th September 2012 at 11:23. Reason: shcplink
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
SH1 rider
Paula is already working on a solution for that, coupled with the changes to the school system to ensure you can't write.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. --- Unknown sage
Anarchic Wild Child
Bwhahahaha .. bling your way ... but I'm a product of the old school system ... I learnt to write in the 1960s ... (Yeah .. I'm old .... )
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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