The minority may ruin it for the majority on the "Coro Loop"

[FJRider]

Dude, you are completely missing my point here.

And you missed my point. As is usual after an accident ... guilty parties are usually charged. With a lower speed limit .... the charges laid on the offending rider/driver go up a few notches ...

A dangerous driving causing death /injury charge could ruin your day. Even if no other vehicles are involved ... charges would certainly be laid if police attending, decided their discretion to charge WAS warranted. I would guess they're sick of picking bodies out of the scrub ... and telling mothers/partners their beloved is dead. So don't expect any sympathy from them after a minor off.

With a limit of 80 km'/hr ... being caught at 120 could see you walking for 28 days ... prior to the court case that may see a further 3 months (6 months if a dangerous charge is laid as well)

Survivors of the Loop ride may find their pockets a little lighter ... and a bit healthier after all the walking. But it is an individuals choice what speed they do the loop at. And official warnings have already been given. Heed them or ignore them .... your choice.



Feeling lucky ... ???

[Matt Bleck]

And you missed my point. As is usual after an accident ... guilty parties are usually charged. With a lower speed limit .... the charges laid on the offending rider/driver go up a few notches ...

A dangerous driving causing death /injury charge could ruin your day. Even if no other vehicles are involved ... charges would certainly be laid if police attending, decided their discretion to charge WAS warranted. I would guess they're sick of picking bodies out of the scrub ... and telling mothers/partners their beloved is dead. So don't expect any sympathy from them after a minor off.

With a limit of 80 km'/hr ... being caught at 120 could see you walking for 28 days ... prior to the court case that may see a further 3 months (6 months if a dangerous charge is laid as well)

Survivors of the Loop ride may find their pockets a little lighter ... and a bit healthier after all the walking. But it is an individuals choice what speed they do the loop at. And official warnings have already been given. Heed them or ignore them .... your choice.



Feeling lucky ... ???

No, actually i didn't miss your point, I've seen a rider who was doing below the posted speed limit, hit ripples in the seal, panic stand the bike up and drift to the other side of the road! It was pure luck that a vehicle wasn't coming the other way and wipe them out! They where traveling at a speed that I know they could of easly could of rounded the corner had they not panicked! What they lacked was experience/ability/training. Dropping the speed limit is a band-aid fix mate!!! Why not speed limit EVERY vehicle on the road. If the max NZ speed limit is 100kph why are vehicles sold that will do 200+? Isn't that entrapment?

Do I feel lucky? Hell yeah I get to race a near on 190bhp Superbike LEGALLY at 200+K's down the main street of Paeroa!!!!!!

I haven't ridden the loop for along time and I don't plan to, there's far better roads with a lot less dick heads on it, so drop the speed limit to 80k's, no skin of my nose.

[nodrog:Me]

No, actually i didn't miss your point, I've seen a rider who was doing below the posted speed limit, hit ripples in the seal, panic stand the bike up and drift to the other side of the road! It was pure luck that a vehicle wasn't coming the other way and wipe them out! They where traveling at a speed that I know they could of easly could of rounded the corner had they not panicked! What they lacked was experience/ability/training. Dropping the speed limit is a band-aid fix mate!!! Why not speed limit EVERY vehicle on the road. If the max NZ speed limit is 100kph why are vehicles sold that will do 200+? Isn't that entrapment?

Do I feel lucky? Hell yeah I get to race a near on 190bhp Superbike LEGALLY at 200+K's down the main street of Paeroa!!!!!!

I haven't ridden the loop for along time and I don't plan to, there's far better roads with a lot less dick heads on it, so drop the speed limit to 80k's, no skin of my nose.

Do you wanna root?

[FJRider]

No, actually i didn't miss your point, I've seen a rider who was doing below the posted speed limit, hit ripples in the seal, panic stand the bike up and drift to the other side of the road! It was pure luck that a vehicle wasn't coming the other way and wipe them out! They where traveling at a speed that I know they could of easly could of rounded the corner had they not panicked! What they lacked was experience/ability/training. Dropping the speed limit is a band-aid fix mate!!! Why not speed limit EVERY vehicle on the road. If the max NZ speed limit is 100kph why are vehicles sold that will do 200+? Isn't that entrapment?

Thing is ... could easily is a lot different to DIDN'T ... and that rider didn't. And as you said them ... so ... I assume there was a pillion he put at risk too. Very clever. And he wouldn't be the first to put their pillion through that too.

The sad fact is ... not everybody is as experienced (and lucky) as you. Official policy on road legislation is graded to the lowest common denominator ... hence the more idiots that stuff up, the more restrictions on that (any) piece of road.

If you believe that it doesn't make it fair on experienced skilled riders ... (life isn't always fair) that is (again) your choice/opinion. And the powers that be that make those decisions ... don't give a toss what YOU believe.

I haven't ridden the loop for along time and I don't plan to, there's far better roads with a lot less dick heads on it, so drop the speed limit to 80k's, no skin of my nose.

I've done the road twice ... and will make no special effort to do it again. As you say ... better roads with less dickheads (especially down here) so I get to keep the skin on my nose too ...

[Blackbird]

I live in Coromandel and ride on those roads several times a week so feel reasonably qualified to comment. I don't think lowering the speed limit will do a damned thing because the serial speeders will still speed and take their chances. Having said that, I'd be interested in whether most of the accidents are at "real speed" or maybe under 80km/hr in the tight stuff.

Having said all that, I've got to say that it's individual riders who have to carry the can for their poor situational awareness (including red mist on group rides). There's basically no such thing as bad roads, just a failure to read the conditions and ride accordingly. As someone else said, it all comes down to personal responsibility for riding well, which isn't the same thing at all as riding slowly. When KB members have been asked in the past how many have got off their arses and done proper roadcraft courses (as opposed to trackdays), there's normally only a handful, yet we love to slag off cage drivers........

[FJRider]

When KB members have been asked in the past how many have got off their arses and done proper roadcraft courses (as opposed to trackdays), there's normally only a handful, yet we love to slag off cage drivers........

I haven't seen a Roadcraft course that could match/train for conditions similar to those on "The Loop"... a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing ...

Some riders even see The Loop ... as a chance to push (prove ???) themselves to their own limit. Sadly ... they usually find it sooner than they think they would.

[Blackbird]

I haven't seen a Roadcraft course that could match/train for conditions similar to those on "The Loop"... a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing ...

Some riders even see The Loop ... as a chance to push (prove ???) themselves to their own limit. Sadly ... they usually find it sooner than they think they would.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the Loop, just poor riders. I'd agree with your comments about roadcraft in general but be assured that the IAM-based training is one that really delivers, using UK police rider training as the basis. You've got to be pretty committed to pass though

[FJRider]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the Loop, just poor riders. I'd agree with your comments about roadcraft in general but be assured that the IAM-based training is one that really delivers, using UK police rider training as the basis. You've got to be pretty committed to pass though

I did it in the early 80's (on a GS1000)... and enjoyed it. (Mid-week though) Was a great piece of road.

I thought it had it's fair share of idiots then too ...

[Gianz]

Just make the all loop one way. that would work.

[Road kill]

I did it in the early 80's (on a GS1000)... and enjoyed it. (Mid-week though) Was a great piece of road.

I thought it had it's fair share of idiots then too ...

I first did it in the early 70's "Honda CB350".

Had it's fair share of hippys then.

One of them even suggested the use of my bike engine to power a small timber mill,,,,sort of went off hippys about then.

[FJRider]

I first did it in the early 70's "Honda CB350".

Had it's fair share of hippys then.

One of them even suggested the use of my bike engine to power a small timber mill,,,,sort of went off hippys about then.

Was it a twin or the four ... ???

[Banditbandit]

Been on a poker run lately V?Last one i went on i saw more fuck ups than i had in 30 years of riding Sportsbikes.

Yup. THat's why I NEVER ride runs organised by Harley owners ...

[Banditbandit]

Was it a twin or the four ... ???

Hippies can come in twins .. I have never seen them as fours ...

[imdying]

Yeah, WTF, don't they realise that being dressed like that will cause them ride in a far more dangerous manner and crash more frequently than if they were dressed like a 'tooth-past tube'......

Wow, you Harley boys must have really advanced clothing if it can alter the way you ride and the way your bike handles things like diesel spills!

[Drew]

Fuck! I've been a KB member for so long it seems, that all threads are almost exactly the same now.

Bikers wont admit their own retardedness is MOSTLY the reason they fell off. They also won't accept that something needs to be done to lower our injury numbers.