Mike Tyson's visa

[caseye]

NZ, bring your money or your notoriety, you'll be welcome here!
What a bunch of pussies we've become.
Our laws should be cast iron ( ha, no pun intended) Did it? done the time?good. Come here? Ah, Na!
Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.
Smokey isn't a racist aye?
Yeah Right!

[_Shrek_]

No he is still doing his time. Part of the punishment for his crimes is he doesn't get visas to countries like ours, just as if you had done the same thing you would not get a visa to the USA. He therefore prove his repentance, shut-up and do his time for doing the crime.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/us-n...broadway-debut
Yeah, keeping the unrepentent arsehole out is the right call.

im on the fence as well, but i know dam well that if a kiwi sports star had a rape conviction there is no way he would get into the states,

if he is doing something for charity then i can understand why to let him in, but basically he is doing a paid promtional gig with some charity getting a small slice so they can use that card to get him in here, when the life education trust pulled out it was just a paid speaking arangement,

simple realy get off the fence

Is it a case of continued punishment ... or part of the punishment ... ???

The rules of many countries regarding previous court convictions ... that will bar you from entry, are well known. (Aussie is included in this list) The antics of students resulting in court action ... are well documented in the court pages of all the regional newspapers. The future doctors/lawyers often apply for discharge without conviction for that reason. As do many well known members, of well known sports teams, and in both cases ... not often with success. So they can't say they didn't know.

If you apply for a visa to any country ... be honest with your court history ... and if sufficient time between your last conviction ... it may be granted. You wont know for sure ... until you ask.

NZ, bring your money or your notoriety, you'll be welcome here!
What a bunch of pussies we've become.
Our laws should be cast iron ( ha, no pun intended) Did it? done the time?good. Come here? Ah, Na!
Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.
Smokey isn't a racist aye?
Yeah Right!

we can't go there as it's stated above & in NZ law it says no, so end of story, & after reading 4 pages of KB dribble I would like to give out a few one way tickets of my own

[ducatilover]

I don't agree that people should continue to be punished for the rest of their life for past evils they have already paid the state penalty for.
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The funny thing is, if they're not letting somebody whom has served their time in, they're admitting that the prison/rehabilitation system isn't working.

[Road kill]

Is it a case of continued punishment ... or part of the punishment ... ???

The rules of many countries regarding previous court convictions ... that will bar you from entry, are well known. (Aussie is included in this list) The antics of students resulting in court action ... are well documented in the court pages of all the regional newspapers. The future doctors/lawyers often apply for discharge without conviction for that reason. As do many well known members, of well known sports teams, and in both cases ... not often with success. So they can't say they didn't know.

If you apply for a visa to any country ... be honest with your court history ... and if sufficient time between your last conviction ... it may be granted. You wont know for sure ... until you ask.

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

[FJRider]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

Actually ... blame the minister of immigration. Mr Tyson had his visa approved, then it was cancelled.

Only one person had the authority to do that. The second application for a visa was dead in the water before it was made.

"Rules" ... "Laws" ... or "Policy" had little to do with either result. It was one ministers opinion. (and probably likes his job)

[_Shrek_]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

looking out side the law.... if he had been a bit more remorsefull with his out look on women etc... no probs

& looking from my side, if I can't get into the states because I nicked a few cars before I was 16 & a bit of disorderly behavour why the heck should he & others like him be aloud to get in here, I accept that what I did in the past has stopped me so why shouldn't they accept it

[scissorhands]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Mike-Tysons-v...2/Default.aspx
"The people wanted me to come," he said. "If it was a fair organisation, a fair fight, I would be there but I got vetoed by the higher power."

"I just wanted to go down there and just have a show. Unfortunately that had to happen. It's one of those things in life that happens. It's life on life's terms and everyone has to deal with that and those uncertainties,” he said.

Chair of the Manukau Urban Maori Authority, Willie Jackson, said he supported Mr Tyson because he would inspire troubled Maori to turn their lives around.

“He has been down a troubled path. If he can inspire and support some of the things we're involved with, that would be great,” he said after the first visa was declined.

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei was appalled at Mr Jackson’s backing of Mr Tyson.

“I’m dismayed, actually, that Maori men would support Mike Tyson to come here and talk to our rangatahi [young people], at a time when violence against women and particularly Maori women, is very, very high,” she said.

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Mike-Tysons-v...#ixzz298OfjOcH


good video of Mike Tyson talking, more video on his site http://miketyson.com/

[FJRider]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

I just found this ...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/1510...s-visa-denial/

Would Mr Key lie to us ... ???

[Hopeful Bastard]

Why? hell, because like almost every other country in the world, a conviction on a jailable offence means you don't get the "privilage" of travel to other parts of the world, who most definitely don't want your kind in their place.

Thats where you are right. But you are also wrong.

Majority of places allow you in if you have been convicted on a Jailable offence. It is when you get convicted of 6yrs+ that you lose your "privilage" of travel. Just thought I would clear that up for you

[Fatjim]

Well it's obviously part of the punishment,,,which to me is wrong.

An yeah,I know what the rules are too.

Plus It's wrong that their applied with vengence to some but not to others.

I mean in this particular case,,what was the guy going to do anyway ?

Talk to some at risk kids and anybody else that was interested about his own mistakes in life and how's he's tried to turn them around.

Where's the threat to NZ in that ?

Sorry,I'm Just tired of reading people that use arguments like "it's the law" to cover that fact that their really just close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

Yeah I know,,,it's the law,,,

This has got to be the most naive bunch of crap I've read in a while. "Its the law" is a valid statement. Tyson new before he raped that women that there were consequenses. One of them is that many countries won't let him in. Letting convicted rapists in, when the law says otherwise is akin to not prosecuting for rape in the fist place. Both stop the known consequense of the criminal action.

And the threat? Wheres the threat in speeding if you are a good driver? Laws aren't meant to protect us from people who don't pose a threat, they are there to stop those who do, and sometimes those who don't, get caught up in the same law. There are many places I can drive/ride safely at 140kph, but its still "AGAINST THE LAW". FFS, grow a brain.

[Fatjim]

He'll get the Visa. He got it last time, and lost it because he lost his sponsor. Now he has another sponsor the Minister doesn't have a leg to stand on. Labour will eat her up.

Personally, I don't think he should be allowed to come. He's a convicted criminal. Our law says they don't get in. I admit there can be exceptions, but for rapists? Na.

Well, I got that wrong! I guess there is some serious political preasure to stop Willy whinging that his support isn't as valid as a white person.

[skippa1]

close minded nasty cunts that don't want to miss the chance to kick somebody while their down..

,,,

really?.....is that what you think? Since when was Tyson "down"?
Ask yourself this......if it was your mum, sister, daughter or wife that he had raped, would you be satisfied that he was allowed to travel on a paid speaking tour despite the law dictating that he should not be able to travel? Is that a fair punishment? Or maybe you think the law should be applied dependant on how "down" someone is? pffftttt