Courses to cut time of Restricted license

**Ninjarider** · 14th October 2012, 15:01

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

**Katman** · 14th October 2012, 15:18

Them's the breaks.

The extra time before upgrading won't do you any harm.

(There is actually a far greater range of bikes available to you now though).

**Ender EnZed** · 14th October 2012, 16:22

Originally Posted by Ninjarider

got my 6R a couple months ago... ...is anyone able to offer advice?

You've got about 16 months left before you can sit your full. HTH.

Seriously though, if you've got the money and the inclination to make a change from your 250 there are plenty of bigger bikes you're allowed to ride now. Just nothing that's significantly faster than what you're on now or over 660cc.

**Drew** · 14th October 2012, 17:19

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

You've got about 16 months left before you can sit your full. HTH.

Seriously though, if you've got the money and the inclination to make a change from your 250 there are plenty of bigger bikes you're allowed to ride now. Just nothing that's significantly faster than what you're on now or over 660cc.

There is heaps on the list, that are significantly faster than what he's riding now.

**White trash** · 14th October 2012, 17:56

I've spent the past week on three new LAMS bikes. An S40, a DR650 and a Hyosung GT650RL. All an immense amount of fun for what they're intended and MORE than enough performance for every day road riding.

**GoSlowR** · 14th October 2012, 20:48

Originally Posted by Ninjarider

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

Dude, I'm in the same boat - sat mine 2 months ago, went in and booked the test (before 1 oct) and it was still under the old system - test at the end of the month! Dunno if that'll work now that its after 1 oct....... Go into AA or whatever and see if they'll let you book it for 6 months after the date of your 6R (or 3 months if you did a course). Worth a shot!!! You might fond that cos you started under the old system it'll still be sweet.

**davereid** · 15th October 2012, 06:26

Originally Posted by GoSlowR

Dude, I'm in the same boat - sat mine 2 months ago, went in and booked the test (before 1 oct) and it was still under the old system - test at the end of the month! Dunno if that'll work now that its after 1 oct....... Go into AA or whatever and see if they'll let you book it for 6 months after the date of your 6R (or 3 months if you did a course). Worth a shot!!! You might fond that cos you started under the old system it'll still be sweet.

The NZTA promised that if you started under the old system you would be able to finish under the old system. I have a copy of the document in which they made that promise, so PM me if you need it.

However the NZTA are chronic fuck ups, chances are they have "forgotten" or they didnt really mean it and it will only apply to one eyed nigerian refugees with 18 kids who got here on the rich investor scheme.

**p.dath** · 15th October 2012, 06:43

Originally Posted by Ninjarider

I am 41 yr and only got my 6R a couple months ago.....my intention was to sit my 6F in Feb 2013...some 6 months later but have now read on LTSA that EVERY 6R rider must do 18 months n their 6R!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! There goes my chance to upgrade.......is anyone able to offer advice ? Cheers

Yep, that's the new regulation.

It's an acknowledgment that any other driver skills you have, or age, won't make you a better rider. Only time riding (and training) will make you a better rider.

**Glowerss** · 15th October 2012, 11:44

Originally Posted by davereid

The NZTA promised that if you started under the old system you would be able to finish under the old system. I have a copy of the document in which they made that promise, so PM me if you need it.

However the NZTA are chronic fuck ups, chances are they have "forgotten" or they didnt really mean it and it will only apply to one eyed nigerian refugees with 18 kids who got here on the rich investor scheme.

Won't work im afraid. I just called up today because I had to reschedule my R test (clutch cable snapped in the middle of the last one

) and had a go at them using that docu you have.

Won't work. I was told "that's an outdated document and should have been pulled down". I expect in the next day or so, it will no longer be available on the NZTA website. I had a hassle with the chick on the phone, and basically the ruling is "get fucked" in regards to finishing under the old system im afraid. The only exemption they will allow is if you've already done the defensive driving course they'll knock a few months off. But you would have had to have completed the course before the 1st of October.

Basically, get a LAMS bike, stick with your 250 for another 16 months, or say fuck it and ride outside your license restrictions. Honestly, if it bothers you that much, just ride what you want. and if you don't think you can ride a year without getting pulled over, then you should probably be on a 250 anyways

**davereid** · 15th October 2012, 13:15

Originally Posted by Glowerss

Won't work im afraid. I just called up today because I had to reschedule my R test (clutch cable snapped in the middle of the last one

) and had a go at them using that docu you have.

Won't work. I was told "that's an outdated document and should have been pulled down". I expect in the next day or so, it will no longer be available on the NZTA website. I had a hassle with the chick on the phone, and basically the ruling is "get fucked" in regards to finishing under the old system im afraid. The only exemption they will allow is if you've already done the defensive driving course they'll knock a few months off. But you would have had to have completed the course before the 1st of October.

Basically, get a LAMS bike, stick with your 250 for another 16 months, or say fuck it and ride outside your license restrictions. Honestly, if it bothers you that much, just ride what you want. and if you don't think you can ride a year without getting pulled over, then you should probably be on a 250 anyways

NZTA are full of shit and they do this kind of stuff all the time. But the document is really clear.

A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.

It doesn't effect me, but if I were you I would fight like forty bastards. I would be on the phone over, and over and over, and Id be writing to my MP as well.

In case they delete it from website heres a copy.

**Glowerss** · 15th October 2012, 14:05

Originally Posted by davereid

NZTA are full of shit and they do this kind of stuff all the time. But the document is really clear.

A 3-year transitional period will allow for a smooth transition for novice riders who have
entered the motorcycle GDLS just prior to these provisions coming into force. This means that
they will be able to get a full licence by progressing through the current GDLS.

It doesn't effect me, but if I were you I would fight like forty bastards. I would be on the phone over, and over and over, and Id be writing to my MP as well.

In case they delete it from website heres a copy.

Basically, I was told that was an old copy of the lams docu, and it has been redone since then, and that version was never meant to remain on the website. You can clearly see that doco was released in 2011 before LAMS was finalized (it makes mention to allowing L platers to go 100kph on the mway, which was last year). I dont even remember where the guy who found it the first time, found it. It isn't anywhere easily accessable on the NZTA website.

I could fight, but to be honest I doubt they'd relent in any way, and it's way more trouble then what it would be worth. When it comes to driver licensing they can fuck you up the ass all day long and there really isn't a thing you can do about it. I've found the NZTA to be completely and utterly impossible to deal with. If it bothered me that much, I'd just ride whatever the fuck I wanted and would deal with the 200$ fine if I ever got pinged.

**nzbiker86** · 31st October 2012, 18:20

I was lucky that I managed to speak with someone at nzta the same day I passed my restricted end sept who happened to be very helpful. They told me to go to the nearest aa and pay the test fee so that I was registered into the system before Oct 1st and select a test day at a later stage. This didn't seem to be common knowledge with all nzta employees and even the guys in aa were questioning whether I could do this.
The other option is waiting until they set standards for the skills assessment, which should be here in 12 months time.

I understand your frustration, I didn't really take much notice of the licence changes,I was just getting excited about the bigger bikes available on lams!

**FJRider** · 31st October 2012, 18:41

They also said an addition to the license label would be made ... to indicate it IS a LAM's approved motorcycle. This it seems ... will not happen ...

It is an outdated document ... stating what they thought/hoped/intended ... it would be. It was not even a promise. And has NO standing in law whatsoever ...

It was NOT as it has been introduced/written ... into legislation. Greater minds than ours decided that it was not to be.

Those older learner riders (moaning) should have got your act together ... sooner. You've had plenty of warning ...

**0li123** · 4th November 2012, 20:28

Hey guys,

With some of the new laws that have been put in place I have read that you can no longer do a defensive driving course to drop the time of your restricted from 18 to 12 months, can anyone verify this for me? I have also been reading about "Competency based training and assessment course's" from what I can gather these will replace the defensive driving courses and take a more practical approach which sounds good but if this is the case can any one tell me when they will come into effect or if they already have, how I could get my self involved in such a course?

Id appreciate any help,

Cheers.

**tigertim20** · 4th November 2012, 20:40

I was discussing this recently with a driving instructor I know.

He may have been wrong, but as he understood it, this is the case.

You can no longer do a defensive driving course to lessen the time between the licences.

There is an allowance in the new law that would enable people to take approved courses as an alternative route through your licence phases. He was unclear whether or not these alternative routes would actually reduce the time on any licence stage, he thought it would, but couldnt be 100% sure.

To his knowledge, there are currently NO approved courses set up, and NO approved instructors currently putting such a course together for motorcyclists.

He seemed to think ti was unlikely to happen anytime soon, due to the amount of work involved in designing, implementing and getting approval for such a course - it would cost a fair bit of time and money on an instructors part and would probably take quite a while before it was actually profitable for them.

Hope that helps for now, but if anyone has further info, i am open to being corected