MotoGP 2012

[Robert Taylor]

I gave that a little bit of thought after I posted that actually, and you could be right. Still, I've never really seen any evidence of this with the MotoGP bikes. I would think that there would be something like the DSS suspension that the new Multistrada and Panagali S have on them. If they have some sort of electro-magnetic launch lockdown or something like that, they would need to have some sort of wiring going to the fork internals. Best and easiest way to do that would be through the endcap of the forks at the top triple clamp, but there are plenty of pics of the area circulating, and none of them show anything like that.






I'm sure that they could, considering all the other things they do....................the question is, do the rules allow for electronically controlled suspension? I have a feeling the rules specifically state that type of thing is not allowed. But I could be wrong.......hasn't happened before, but this could be a first time.





I would speculate that with all the fiddling around they do with the ride height, engine placement and such that they have found as close to the ideal placement for the engine so that the forward to back pitching on acceleration and braking have the correct weight transfer to increase traction, but not too much to overload the front and rear respectively. So during starts they need to allow the bike to pitch back and compress the rear shock so that it literally drives the tire into the track (helped by the chain pull). If you locked the rear shock for starts, this weight transfer wouldn't happen and the TC would have to reduce the power so as to maintain traction (prevent wheelspin). So you would probably end up getting off the line slower. I could see some benifits to maybe firming things up, but you would then have to soften things back up for other parts of the track, which would require some sort of electronic trickery. And that brings us back to the rules, which I don't think allow it.

I was in the race shop at Ohlins two weeks ago and looked at everything from MotoGp suspension to their new Formula 1 project. No such photos allowed. But there is no such trickery and no electronic controls on the suspension. It is expressly prohibited in MotoGP and WSBK. THAT IS A REAL INJUSTICE TO PROGRESS.

[BMWST?]

And was having a secret affair with Arthur Scargill.......

and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

[BMWST?]

No, the best thing that can happen will be for Moaner to get done like a dogs dinner on his home turf by two Spaniards, Jorge leading the way. That will be Gods work.

I see what youve done there

Stone him stone him!

[puddytat]

and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

even after partying all weekend with Max Mosley

[Robert Taylor]

and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

To mention that commo unionist stirrer in the same context as Ohlins is a huge insult to Ohlins. Dear old Maggie served him his comeuppance in spades. Well done that woman.

[Robert Taylor]

even after partying all weekend with Max Mosley

Max has great parties but always omits to invite his old friend Bernie, much to Bernies disgust.

[tail_end_charlie]

I was in the race shop at Ohlins two weeks ago and looked at everything from MotoGp suspension to their new Formula 1 project. No such photos allowed. But there is no such trickery and no electronic controls on the suspension. It is expressly prohibited in MotoGP and WSBK.

Hot damn, right again. Man I'm Good.

THAT IS A REAL INJUSTICE TO PROGRESS.

I see you're point there, and I would assume the rule is an attempt at cost saving and reducing complexities in setup? If it were allowed, wouldn't that then allow you to run a suspension map in the ecu that would be similar to a fuel map? As in being able to program exactly what set up you want practically turn by turn and the ecu would then adjust the suspension to match the map, tracked by GPS. To be honest it seems like the possibilities are almost endless on how much you want to program the bike.

My understanding of the commercially available systems (BMW S1000rr HP4, Ducati Multistrada and Panagali S) have very fast stepper motors that can more or less automatically adjust the compression and rebound dampening depending on what the bike is encountering (heavy acceleration, braking, varied surface conditions). In other words something that can react to road and riding conditions, but can't actually be programed for a closed circuit.

[Brian d marge]

Didn’t sofalogalou run magnetized suspension fluid last year or the year before , not exactly sure , twas the fluid properties that could be changed to make it ore or less viscous

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

Hot damn, right again. Man I'm Good.



I see you're point there, and I would assume the rule is an attempt at cost saving and reducing complexities in setup? If it were allowed, wouldn't that then allow you to run a suspension map in the ecu that would be similar to a fuel map? As in being able to program exactly what set up you want practically turn by turn and the ecu would then adjust the suspension to match the map, tracked by GPS. To be honest it seems like the possibilities are almost endless on how much you want to program the bike.

My understanding of the commercially available systems (BMW S1000rr HP4, Ducati Multistrada and Panagali S) have very fast stepper motors that can more or less automatically adjust the compression and rebound dampening depending on what the bike is encountering (heavy acceleration, braking, varied surface conditions). In other words something that can react to road and riding conditions, but can't actually be programed for a closed circuit.

Yes pretty much correct, and in fact it would take away a lot of the workload on traction control. Isnt it perverse that there are now PRODUCTION bikes available with ''smart'' electronic suspension ( and more to follow ) But its banned in many racing circles

[Robert Taylor]

Didn’t sofalogalou run magnetized suspension fluid last year or the year before , not exactly sure , twas the fluid properties that could be changed to make it ore or less viscous

Stephen

I dont know where you got that from? But in WSS600 this year he has kicked ass and is already the champion. Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 rear, Ohlins TTX25 gas charged cartridges and Ohlins steering damper. No trickery and exactly what is available to and used by the very top racers here. Excepting the springs they use are very closely calibrated, but we could also buy those, albeit at a higher price than the regular range.
Moreover this is sold by Ohlins to teams at the going rate, no sponsorship and no silly unsustainable pricing. Other manufacturers could learn from that.

[RobGassit]

I dont know where you got that from? But in WSS600 this year he has kicked ass and is already the champion. Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 rear, Ohlins TTX25 gas charged cartridges and Ohlins steering damper. No trickery and exactly what is available to and used by the very top racers here. Excepting the springs they use are very closely calibrated, but we could also buy those, albeit at a higher price than the regular range.
Moreover this is sold by Ohlins to teams at the going rate, no sponsorship and no silly unsustainable pricing. Other manufacturers could learn from that.

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

[denill]

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

Mmmm, I don't see it that way.

Robert's entitled to his opinion and just cos he's affiliated with a product it is his right to state it how HE sees it. If you don't agree, you can refute it. I appreciate his input as he's at the coal face and tho Iv'e never met him - I believe he is helpful to everyone.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Max has great parties but always omits to invite his old friend Bernie, much to Bernies disgust.

Talking of parties. You going to PI this year Robert?

[Robert Taylor]

Talking of parties. You going to PI this year Robert?

I was going to go but have just spent a month in Europe and am ''travelled out''. Definitely next year. I organised with Ohlins a couple of tickets to get right into the pits with an Ohlins Tech, I have given those tickets to Choppa.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was going to go but have just spent a month in Europe and am ''travelled out''. Definitely next year. I organised with Ohlins a couple of tickets to get right into the pits with an Ohlins Tech, I have given those tickets to Choppa.

Rather do Europe anyday! Choppa will love that! Rach certainly did at Brno.